Time to buy a class D amp?



Will some new class D amplifiers outperforming the current ones appear soon

(the newest ones i know were released a  few years ago)?

Class D amps attract me as I consider them the most ecological ones with obvious non-auditionable benefits.

I have no doubts that they posses the maximum ratio performance/sound quality among the amplifiers of all classes.

At the same time, the sound quality the class D amplifiers that I have auditioned produce, although is quite good,

but not yet ideal (for my taste).


I use PS Audio Stellar S300 amp with PS audio Gain Cell pre/DAC with Thiel CS 3.6 speakers in one of my systems.

The sound is ok (deep bass, clear soundstage) but not perfect (a bit bright and somehow dry, lacking warmness which might be more or less ok for rock but not for jazz music).

I wonder if there are softer sounding class D amps with the same or better details and resolution. Considering two reasonable (as to the budget) choices for test, Red Dragon S500 and Digital Audio Company's

Cherry  2 (or Maraschino monoblocks), did anybody compare these two?



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     I originally agreed with all that have suggested pairing a good quality tube preamp with their class D amps.  For a few years I used a VTL 2.5L preamp, with the four standard tubes swapped out for a set of four NOS (new old stock) Mullard tubes in my combo 2-channel music and 5.1 ch surround system for HT.  The HT portion of my system included an Oppo 105 Bluray player and a Parasound AV-2500 5.1 surround sound preamp/processor.  The VTL has a HT passthru switch and the Oppo is able to play CD, SACD and DVD-A discs and hi-res music files for 2-ch audio as well as  DVD and Bluray video discs  for HT. 
     This setup sounded great for music and HT and I never thought I'd sell the VTL tube preamp.  But I had an urge to streamline my system and I tried my system out without the Parasound surround processor and the VTL.   I just went direct from the Oppo's outputs to my amps; a pair of class D D-Sonic M3-600-M mono block amps for l+r stereo for music and front l+r channels for HT surround, a bridged stereo class D Emerald Physics EP-100-SE amp for the center ch and a stereo Class D Audio SDS-440-CS amp for the rear surround channels. 
     The Oppo's audio sections are very high quality with a detailed and neutral presentation just as all of my class D amps are.  I expected the combined overall sound to be too sterile, neutral and lacking in dimension, warmth, bloom and body.   However, I was surprised to discover that all my familiar music sounded just as sweet, warm, dimensional and full of natural body without the flavoring I had assumed the VTL and tubes were providing.  
     I think it's important to point out that these very good results were obtained on music that was well recorded.  Fortunately, most of my familiar music turned out to be well recorded but, unfortunately, not all of my music recordings survived such close scrutiny of quality.  There are some recordings I've removed from the rotation if I was unable to find a well recorded example of the same music.  
     These were unexpected results, somewhat proven by the fact that I had just bought and installed a complete four tube replacement set of $200 NOS Mullard tubes in the VTL.  But I felt I had to trust my ears, so I removed the VTL from my system and sold it to a buddy. 
     My new system configuration, combining an accurate, detailed and neutral preamp with amps that have the same characteristics, not surprisingly delivers an overall system sound that is very accurate, detailed and neutral.  I related my experience just for the benefit of those considering class D amps.  My main point being you can obtain very good overall system sound quality using class D amps by either pairing it with an accurate, detailed and neutral preamp (usually solid state) along with exclusively well recorded source material or pairing it with a more flavored preamp (usually tubed) that is more forgiving on poorly recorded source material.  A choice of two methods reflecting different personal preferences. 

Tim
I see that you are interested in the Red Dragon amplifiers, I’m sorry  to say it appears that Ryan at Red Dragon Audio has closed his company. The website has sold out of all equipment and I have tried contacting Ryan about a needed repair and he has not responded. If I am incorrect please let me know. If anybody knows where to get a Red Dragon mono block repaired please respond. 

I ran a pair of Red Dragon M1000 MkII’s for two years. I found them to be dead quiet, accurate, revealing , with solid imaging and they threw a wide soundstage, they did not however have a lot of depth of field. I agree with other owners of class D amps, they are a bargain particularly, if you need a lot of power.

I can only speak for my experience with the Red Dragon ICE technology. I listen to music between 15-20 hours a week on average in a dedicated listening room. I enjoyed the M1000’s for the first year or so immensely but gradually found that the initial intrigue of their positive sonic attributes was lacking something.  I finally concluded, that for me the music was not emotionally engaging.  It took a lot of listening to reach this conclusion, if I listened less frequently or was primarily interested in musical detail  or frequency response I may never of reached this conclusion. I recognize that many class D owners enjoy their amplifiers and this is only my opinion. The M1000’s will be going in to a home theater application. 

     Ryan of Red Dragon told me he's going to have an all new and upgraded lineup of amps coming out later this year.  He's definitely not going out of business. Here's a copy of his email response:

"Ryan Tew <[email protected]>Mon, Jul 22, 3:17 PMto me
Hi Tim
We are working on an entirely new MkIII generation and hope to have them ready later this year.

Thanks,
Ryan Tew President - Red Dragon Audio
www.RedDragonAudio.com
801.361.7138801.810.8184
On Jul 21, 2019, at 1:07 AM, RED DRAGON AUDIO (Shopify) <[email protected]> wrote:"

Tim
I have already bought two Class D amps . . . Crown 1502, and couldn't be more pleased. In fact, I may be buying two more to change my speakers from passive to active combos. The sound is more detailed than the two hefty monoblocks I used on my main speakers. The background noise is non-existence, and the power these amps can output, depending on their ohm resistance . . . so these speakers cruise, they are light, take up little space, have so many features, and I thoroughly enjoy their addition to my stereo system.
First off I would never own a Class D amp I don't care how far they've come along they will never equal a Class a the only thing that I can say about them is their lightweight they're cheap but they're all so noisy anybody who has had years of experience in audio file systems well tell you that class D amps are just for beginners