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I am Looking for That Elusive 3 Dimensional Room Filling Soundstage

I have heard it half a dozen times at home, small room, Primaluna HP Integrated or a Rogue Atlas Magnum II and RP-1 Pre and believe it or not a pair of close to 30 year old Paradigm Export Monitors.

The experience I had, I can only describe as sitting in an aquarium when the litlle rectangular glass aquarium was filled with liquid engulfing you from all directions with no awareness of the speaker boxes...it was just perfect!

The room is approximately 12 x 13 x 9, small bedroom converted to a den!

So the question is what speakers does everyone recommend to provide the same experience?? I have a budget of $2000 for the next little babies so let’s not talk about Focal uber expensive stand mounts at $9500 thank you!

Monitor not floor standers and the Primaluna is gone, it’s all Rogue And yes, I would consider a pair of floor standers that are not to intrusive.
eag618
snapsc
722 posts
 
I've got a buddy who has 25 year old M&K bookshelf speakers which he runs full range; he also uses an M&K 12" sub to augment the bottom.  His electronics are 25 year old Adcom fed by an Oppo 103 player in a 12x14 room with drywall and hardwood floors over concrete.  The listening position is a sofa backed up to one of the walls.  He positions his speakers when listening, 7' out from the front wall, 3' off the side walls and 7' from the listening position.  Every time I hear his system, I'm shocked....it sounds like surround sound.

It makes me think that especially for smaller rooms, optimal positioning is even more critical to get that 3d soundstage you are looking for.
kenjit
1,771 posts
 
Every time I hear his system, I'm shocked....it sounds like surround sound.
He probably has them wired out of phase. 
mayoradamwest
430 posts
 
I think the best way to improve sound stage is room correction. Something like MiniDSP.  In your price range I think it will work magic. 
snapsc
722 posts
 
@kenjit I thought the same thing... nope, wired in phase... but tons of ambience probably caused by all the reflections off the hard walls, ceilings and floors.... so pinpoint imaging isn’t the greatest but soundstage is pretty impressive. 
dep14
337 posts
 
That size room, and that budget?

Pretty easy call for me.  Ohm Walsh.  Possibly used/upgraded, or maybe new.

But big 3d soundstage, modest budget and space.  That would be my first call.
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