Linn Sondek question


What is it about a Linn Sondek LP12 that requires it to be tuned up?  I was at a Linn specialist recently and was amazed at the amount of Linn Sondeks he had just in waiting for "tune ups" or whatever they needed.  There must have been at least twenty.  So, how often does this have to be done?  Is it the springs, weather conditions etc.  I never see other tables requiring this kind of attention for what seems to be required on a regular basis.  Can it be done by the owner?  Seems like a lot of fiddling.  The setup that was there sounded great.  There is a specialist on youtube that posts many Linns and the sound quality is fantastic, but at what cost?  Like I said, I have never seen that many tables requiring attention in my life.  So what his the thing with these tables?
tzh21y
Yes, major step up....I can tell you this, neither bearing ever leaked!! The new Cirkus bearing has far better tolerances and therefore sounds better! Neither of which you would have a clue about. Once again, i'm done with you.

A lot of information and misinformation on the LP12, but that isn’t unusual. I’m Thomas O’Keefe, better known among Linnies as ThomasOK, an LP12 technician of some regard and the person who discovered the torque system of fine-tuning an LP12 over a decade ago.

I’ll start out answering the OP questions. Any turntable needs to be setup periodically for the most musical performance and the torque system I developed applies equally to every turntable to a greater or lesser extent depending on how many fasteners there are. I have used it to set up all kinds of turntables including VPI, Thorens, Rega, Well-Tempered, SOTA, Teres, Origin Live, Clearaudio, ProJect - the list goes on and on. Admittedly some only have the fasteners of the cartridge to the headshell to adjust but many have tonearm bolts, armboard screws, bearing housing screws, etc.

The standard Linn LP12, however, has 29 screws and bolts that benefit musically from precision torque adjustment. The values vary significantly from one set of screws to the next and have to be determined by ear. In addition, the LP12 needs to have its suspension adjusted properly for pistonic bounce (as mentioned) and so the arm cable doesn’t interfere with the suspension if you want the best performance. There are also other things that change the musical performance such as alignment of the belt, mat and platter (clocking the platter as mentioned by nkonor who may be one of my customers). Now once the LP12 has been PROPERLY setup and tuned it should remain stable for a good amount of time. I recommend my customers bring theirs back in every three to five years or whenever they are in doubt about the life of the stylus, whichever comes sooner. It really should be unnecessary to bring it in any more often than that. One reason is that things can drift a bit, after all the plinth is solid hardwood which can change due to the environment it is in (sunshine, humidity, etc.), although a well setup unit will remain as stable as most any turntable.

Another reason for a checkup after a few years is that even after 40+ years we are still discovering ways to make the LP12, and turntables in general, more musical. In the beginning nobody was aware that the mat sounded better one way up than the other (as indeed it does on Regas and any other turntable using a felt mat) or that the belt had an inside and outside (it is now known that it also has a top and bottom). 13 years ago nobody knew that you could hear a musical difference if the torque of a fastener was off by a couple hundredths of a Nm, nor that the inner platter had an optimal position in relation to the inner platter. Recently a couple of associates of mine, Paolo Nobile in Rome, Italy and Fredrik Lejonklou of Uppsala, Sweden and I discovered a way to improve the musical performance of Linn dynamically balanced arms.

However, there are a few other reasons why Linn specialists like myself are often kept rather busy. First is the simple fact that Linn have manufactured and sold well over 100,000 LP12s in its 44 year history and I would suspect that 98+ % are still viable although some will need minor repair. This automatically brings a fair number in to any good LP12 specialist for checkup and stylus/cartridge replacement. Combine this with the resurgence of vinyl over the last decade plus a lot of baby boomers now having grown children and you have a regular stream of people digging their LP12 out of the attic or basement and bringing it in to have it gone over. Also Linn has created a fair number of top level and mid level upgrades for the LP12 over the last decade and a half and these do make quite a substantial musical improvement. So you have quite a few people bringing their tables in for one or more upgrades. Indeed in the middle of writing this I was asked to talk to a customer who wanted to discuss the most sensible next upgrade for his Valhalla LP12.

Linn now has three subchassis offering increasing levels of musical performance and all better than the standard subchassis of 10 years ago. They have three different motor/controller combinations the least of which is at least Valhalla performance level, they have three arms, and they have three different cartridges. This gives many different possible permutations and performance levels before you even look at all the other possibilities in cartridges and arms out there. Contrary to what one poster has said the upgrades Linn has come out with, from as simple as an improved $30 felt mat through to the quite amazing $4250 Radikal motor/controller, have all made substantial musical upgrades that many, many owners feel are well worth the money invested. A fully loaded LP12 is musically something to behold and still musically superior to anything else I have heard. Indeed my own $26.000+ LP12 fronted a system that was given Best Sound of Show at Rocky Mountain Audio Fest last year even though running through a pair of speakers costing only $1766! Of course, since the source is the most important piece in a system, and since IMHO this was the best source at the show, this rating makes perfect sense.

I think this answers the original questions and hopefully dispels some of the misinformation on setup stability. But there are still a couple of bearing questions. First, on leaking. Saying “the bearing (usually) leak” is totally incorrect. On the other hand saying they never leak is not totally true either. In my almost 40 years of working on LP12s I have seen a few LP12s with a bearing housing that had a slight leak. By a few I mean literally fewer than 5 out of I don’t know how many LP12s I have worked on but the number is easily in four figures. This has always in early pre-Cirkus bearing housings and was caused but an incomplete seal where the bearing housing grips the thrust plate around its circumference. This could be easily remedied without replacing the bearing housing by thoroughly cleaning the bottom of the bearing housing and applying some silicone sealant. This brings us to the Cirkus bearing. What was wrong with the original bearing? Nothing – I have seen 40 year old bearings that still have only a small polish mark at the point of contact and no pit or appreciable wear. This is the rule and not the exception. These bearings still spin with minimal friction and noise. However, Linn practices a policy of constant improvement making small or large changes as they find better materials (the Titanium/Aluminum/Stainless steel Ekos SE, for example) and better ways to make them. The bearing housing went through at least seven changes, some more noticeable than others, and the Cirkus was the biggest improvement combining several updates over earlier bearing housings for musically improved performance: inner liners made of ventilated PEEK, a material they found superior to the previously used PTFE, improved positioning of the liners, addition of a small reservoir for oil at the top of the housing and, probably most importantly, a heavier and stronger housing allowing for an even more solid attachment to the stronger subchassis introduced at the same time (the early 1990s). The Cirkus bearing housing and inner platter/spindle, along with one of the stronger subchassis, forms the foundation of the LP12 turntable so it is the upgrade to do first on any pre-Cirkus LP12 as everything else builds on it. It does definitely make a substantial musical improvement to the LP12 in clarity, bass extension and tonality, bass evenness, and rhythmic quality of all music.

I hope this answers the questions and gives a better idea of what the LP12 is all about.


thomasok,

Great post to go along with your great Tune up. Enjoying my LP12 playing “Donald Fagen - The Nightfly” / MFSL UD1S 2-003.

These MFSL are great. I see other ‘One Step’ process recordings being offered on the market. Guys if the Music is to your liking, check them out.

Best
“Donald Fagen - The Nightfly” / MFSL UD1S 2-003.

These MFSL are great. I see other ‘One Step’ process recordings being offered on the market. Guys if the Music is to your liking, check them out.
+1...I've had mine for several days now and it is indeed amazing.  All (3) of the UD1S releases have been SPECTACULAR.