This Sistrum stuff works


Hi. I just got a bunch of Sistrum products to add to my system. The package arrived, with 2 Sistrum Speaker Platforms, 2 Sistrum Equipment Platforms, 2 sets of AudioPoints, a pair of Sonoran Plateau Desert Speaker Cables, and a pair of Sonoran Plateau Cactus RCA Interconnects.

I wanted to try an entire line of products that were designed to work together, using the unique vibration management system that the Sistrum and Sonoran products have. I thought this approach could have some merit.

I put the products into the system, 1 by 1, and listened for differences. I started with the speaker platforms. I immediately noticed that the slight "boxiness" that was present primarily in the lower midrange was almost eliminated. And the bass, and midbass was much more defined than before. Overall clarity seemed improved, but it was already quite clear to start with. One of the more interesting benefits was that I could play louder than before, with less audible distortion. Then I tried the equipment platforms under my preamp and amp. This improved the focus of the entire presentation by several percent. And again, I could play even louder before noticing any distortion occurring. The next candidate was the Audiopoints under my Teres TT. This was where I noticed an increase in detail and lowering of the noise floor. I had already used BDR cones and Cocobolo Cones under the TT, and these beat both of those quite convincingly. The final thing was the Sonoran Cables. These need some time to break in, but after about 4 hours of playing, this package is giving me the best sound that I have ever gotten from this system. The cables, even right out of the box, were quite open and detailed, with no high-frequency rolloff that I had experienced with some other cables I've tried, like Cardas Golden. After just a few hours, the bass was really showing excellent tonality and control. The mids were as open as my DIY cables, which had previously slain all comers. I expect these Sonoran cables to improve over the next couple of weeks, and that will be a nice treat, because they are already sounding quite good indeed.

Now, I have to admit that I have not tried a boatload of different cables, but I have tried a few. My cone and support situation was in need, and I didn't have a very good vibration control system in place before I got this stuff. Maybe other stuff can do very well too. But I can say that this Sistrum and Sonoran stuff does exactly what it says it does, and I am very pleased with the results that I got on my system.

In addition, I really like the appearance of these products, and that never hurts, even though my audio room looks more like a workshop than a living room. I go primarily for performance, and not looks. The sound is the key issue for me. But good looks are always a positive, if the sound is also good.

I would say that I recieved an honest 15% improvement in the clarity, tonal quality(especially in the low end), and in maximum SPL that I can now attain. Although I didn't measure it, I feel that I got an additional 3db SPL over what I was getting before. And with the improved clarity and tone at the same time. With my low power tube system, this was a very big plus, because it was like getting more power out of my amp. Sistrum claims that when you use their products, you get better efficiency from your system, including amps and speakers, due to proper vibration management. I now believe that this is true, because I experienced that in my testing with my system.

I could heartily recommend these products to others, because I feel that if they work on my system, they will work on others. The technology works. I'm happy.

While other isolation products may be very good, and also other cables may be very good, I feel that these are doing a great job, and have good neutrality, but let the sound and dynamics come through crystal clear, and from top to bottom.

This package wasn't cheap, at about $3000 retail for all the items I got. But it is not anywhere near the high price that alot of other cables and racks cost. I think it strikes a very good level of performance for a reasonable price. I can't buy $8k speaker cables, or $5k audio racks.

I'd recommend them for anyone to try out. They really do work, just as the manufacturer claims.
twl
I may be wrong, but much to do about nothing seems to have generated when Sean interjected his post which, intended or not, suggested that the philosophy and/or design concept of Grand Prix racks was "scientific" as opposed to the "gimmickry and marketing" of "audiophile approved" racks. Since this thread dealt with Sistrum, there is no other way to interpret Sean's comments except to conclude that he felt that Sistrum racks lack scientific basis and are only audiophile approved, as if this were some kind of negative trait.

Though I've looked at the Grand Prix website before, I went there expecting to see something new in the way of specific technical data or scientific support for their products. Sadly, all I found was a mildly interesting definition of terms with a "white paper" link that was still under construction. I'm at a loss as to what technical data currently exists at the website that in any way supports any claim that they have to offer.

Since I found nothing there to support their position or of the specific test parameters that were referred to in the text, I have nothing tangible to offer on their claims. They may have supporting data - shake table test specs, duration periods, impulse amplitude, or XYZ parameters, but I found nothing.

In contrast, I have experienced Sistrum products in a controlled environment, my home. I've done listening evaluations that support the positive attributes that others have mentioned. I find the basic scientific premise behind Sistrum to be in agreement with my sonic experience.

I'm sure that Sean didn't intend for this thread to be sidetracked over inferences and suppositions. Barring any technical or experiential data suggesting otherwise, I'm at a bit of loss as to why he felt inclined to post as he did. However, I think he has made it clear that he has no personal experience to suggest that Sistrum's claims are untenable.

The most disturbing aspect so far has been the comments suggesting that personal experience is somehow too subjective to trust in any evaluation. This is audio, folks! Audio is subjective! Electronics can be objective within the limitations of the tests and test equipment that are available to date. However, the sonic "quality", perceived by the human ear, is the final test. To suggest otherwise is simply foolishness. If a comparison is not performed "side by side" so to speak, giving each item the best possibility to exhibit its sonic strengths (whether this may take hours or days or weeks), then how else is a comparison to be performed?

Preconceived ideas about a product can be useful I suppose. However, rarely do they benefit our sonic evaluations. We each look for certain aspects or attributes of a component to help with narrowing our focus to a manageable few for consideration.

Obviously, the specific triggers of interest can and will vary from person to person. It all depends on the "open mindedness" of the individual if he or she is able to set aside biases and give a product a fair evaluation before passing judgement.

Will one person's experience be true for all others? Of course, it won't. However, as more people come to share the same or similar experience and the experience level of the individuals of the group is considered, a greater measure of value may be assigned to the personal experiences as related to a particular product.

With this in mind, those on this thread who have experience with the Sistrum products and considering the level of the audiophile experience supporting such claims, I feel very safe in recommending the Sistrum products to those who might be in the market for racks and stands. Just one man's opinion.
Tom, I agree, let the music be heard. But to be heard, I guess you got to let the music be heard. I see some do not agree with this novel idea.

Sean, I have not thrown a stone at you with any attempt to harm. An opinion means little to me if one has not heard the products one talks about. I cannot or will not attempt to compete with you with words. I have not the skill or the knowledge of the english language that you are so blessed with. If I were, I would probably post as often as you. I just can't compete with you in words. But I can more than hold my own with you with simple logic. My logic escapes you. Your's makes little since to me. I mean no harm my friend. Please never think of me as throwing stones at you. This is a cowards way. I would be the first to come to your aid if i saw stones being thrown at you. Let us put this topic to bed. And if you have anyone throwing stones at you, I have a sure fire slingshot that I will lown you or teach you how to use. i wish nothing but good will to you and those important to you. If you ever think i am throwing stones, they are nothing more than a small ,lightly packed, snowballs.
Sean, as TWL has written in his Sistrum statements he heard more music with lower distortion and at higher perceived volume levels. You do not increase level by dampening or killing off dynamics. Green only used some of the tools at his disposal. The Green rack sounded better when you did not clamp and kill dynamics by compressing equipment between shelves. And it sounded way better when you replaced all the steel rods and hardware with all brass. Because he had the tools does not mean he had the science to apply these in a correct method. Yes he did try to tune his speaker with a tensioning system bolt, but again one major mistake in his method was to have a point of exit[ the Audiopoint} on the bottom and his tensioning method on the vertical panels. These are conflicting applications and are counterproductive. The only thing he had done was to retune the speaker, again by varing the storage time of the unwanted nasties he was properly trying to evacuate thru the use of Audio points on the bottom. Sistrum I feel is now a science. If you use it as long as I have and thruout your entire system it will become easy to understand what it does and thus how it works. The mysticism will then be in the music and not in the product. Sistrum contribution to the music is that it does not dampen and therefore does not retune your music. Again Sistrum does this by providing a high speed path of stored resonance to ground. Sean, do your self a favor and try this stuff, it works. Tom
I know we have been talking about racks, mostly, in this thread. If you remember my review of the Sistrum Mini Monitor Support System, a month or two back: Starsound has applied the resonance transference principles to their speaker support system For those that have been following this badinage, about resonance transference,and have monitor speakers sitting on Sound Anchor stands or any stands that work on similar principles; take a look at their stands. Monitors aside, they also have systems for floor standing speakers, as well. Changing from the Revel M20 stock stands, to these babies was dramatic.
I think the basic information has been presented and discussed, pro and con, on these products. For technical information and patent documents, you can see them at the audiopoints.com website.

There will always be disagreements on what different people want. There have been some comments supportive of the Sistrum stuff, and some comments supporting other stands.

The main point that I tried to make with this thread, is that in my application, the Sistrum equipment worked even better than advertised, and I was happy with the result. I felt that their approach to resonance transfer was in keeping with my ideas on the subject. I wanted to try a whole system approach in applying this idea. I feel it worked very well.

What anyone else wants to use, is up to them.