Cryo treated wires?

Ohlala; if anyone thinks it's just advertisiing that's fine. As for me, I'm just enjoying the timbrally rich, mellow music that I consider a very nice and welcome improvement. But it could just be the new wire even w/o the cryo treatment.

However, I've read many, many positive reviews of the beneficial effects of the cryo process on parts that could affect music quality, and I wanted to try it myself-- so I did with the above results. I read a lot, and get much information that way, and yes some of it is advertising.

Does anyone want me to get the electricians back and have them tear out the cryo wire ($80./hr.), which I really like, and have them put some in that meets someone else's specs ($80./hr.)? And then if I don't like that wire, I could get the electricians back and have them tear out the wire ($80./hr) and put in some other wire($80./hr.).

So, Let's not take this argument to the point of the ridiculous, electricians get expensive, and minimum house call charge wasn't even mentioned. Why would someone want to try and meet someone else's expectations (wives excluded)? Is all advertising false?, or does some meet with approval? Please enlighten us. But most of all, please tell us of your experiences with cryo'ed products and music quality/character?

I'm going to reach the 6th decade in 2 weeks or so, and I don't BS myself. In those years I've learned to trust my own hearing ability and judgement much more than I do someone else's cynical skepticism-- however good their intentions may be. Cheers. Craig

I believe it will make a different but to some people the change could be a bad one to them. Thanks Lak, I have a better idea now what to avoid. I think trying out with some moderate price power cords for a start should be able to determine the result. Nothing is absolute in Hi-Fi anyway.

Garfish - Rainchild wants to know what cryo does. I do not have cables that differ only in cryoness, so I can't comment. I have as much knowledge of its effects as you do. I would be surprised if there was not a difference under certain to many circumstances. Your experiment, however is confounded, but not only do you claim cryo is beneficial, you claim to know how it affects the sound, by repeating an ambiguous statement from a website. That can be misleading and is what I reacted to.

"However, I've read many, many positive reviews of the beneficial effects of the cryo process on parts that could affect music quality, and I wanted to try it myself-- so I did with the above results. I read a lot, and get much information that way, and yes some of it is advertising."

Thanks for answering. All I wanted to know is how you became so sure from the very weak evidence you initially published. Something as potentially subtle as cryo requires stricter conditions. As far ridiculous, I think it would be easier to admit that you don't really know than to hire an electrician. Maybe you share the source of a couple of those many, many convincing reviews for R.C. and others to look over.

"Is all advertising false?"

Oh gee, ummm, no.

"or does some meet with approval?"

If subjective(especially), I would think it would at least have to be substantiated, which is what has not been done.

"Please enlighten us."

If you to answer someone's question with an subjective advertisement claim, then the contribution you made is worthless. VD's cryo claims are unsubstantiated in this thread, and VD's cryo goals are obvious. You tried to make a connection between your experience and VD's cryo claim, but logically(b/c of your confounds), you can't do that. Happy birthday

I am using some cryo treated cables.I sent some OTA to be treated and have 2 Digital IC's I am evaluating(1 treated\1 not).

I think there is a difference.More things underneath the music are revealed.The OTA cable is fast to begin with and this stuff seems to give it a touch more of prevelence all the way around.

There might be a drawback for me though.I use a ART DIO which seems to not get a lock as much using the Treated cable.

I am stil testing it though.

I dop think there is a benefit from the scientific view.Kharma speaker's Cryo their XO's and some major wire companies I have read use the process in ultra expensive cable.There are Mic Magnified photo's of what the surface of metals look like before and after the process and it looks smoother.It might take the airpockets out of the metal making it a better conductor.These things I have read.

To each there own.If done incorrectly it can damage the conductor also.You have to make certain that who you send it to people who know what they are doing.Ray Kimber is experimenting with it now and bought a Dewar Tank so it is becoming more common place.

I will be having new speaker's wired with it and I will have my outlets cryo treated.I think in theory it works ,but YMMV.

Good Luck!

I have personally done some experimentation with deep immersion cryo treatment v. non-cryo’d on numerous AC outlets, electrical wiring 10 gauge of various types, to a lesser extent power cords, interconnects and very shortly speaker cables (waiting to get some back from being cryo’d and cable-cooked).

I agree with Jena labs, in most cases to my ears “the item that was cryo’d is quieter in noise floor and more revealing of subtle musical nuances”. I have personally heard this for myself on my tube system and solid state system including on Psychicanimal’s system.

The question is, does the listener prefer the alteration in sound? There have been times for example where Bob Crump (and I agree because it has happened to me also) has stated that he did not prefer the sound of a certain item that was cryo’d, and other times he preferred it.

I suggest that readers listen and deiced what sounds best to them on their own system because many times I have noticed that items are system dependent. I’ve also learned that cryo treatment many time’s makes a mediocre item more equal to an expensive counter part that is not cryo’d.