@mapman No, we left the normal regions of hyperbole some time ago and are now well into warp-hyperbole (if you'll pardon my Greek).
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Ordered a pair just now. In Dark Gray, to which Tammy immediately said, "Oh the Charcoal is beautiful!" Charcoal sounds better than Dark Gray (even though we are talking about the same color!) so Charcoal it is!
My beloved Talon Khorus do still sound awfully good. It will be interesting to see how the Moabs stock out of the box compare with these tweaked and modded warhorses. Both the strength, and the weakness, of the Khorus is using the 10" woofer to cover so much midrange. Its a strength because it makes for a very smooth and cohesive sound. But its a weakness because its asking a lot of such a large driver to go so high. Talon makes up for it with their isobaric design. Mounted inside and directly behind the woofer is another identical driver facing the opposite direction. The idea is this relieves the front facing driver of having to compress the air inside the cabinet. This does allow for a much faster response, and is a big reason for the wonderful music the Khorus produces.
I have a feeling however it is no match for Eric Alexander's ultra-low mass driver array solution. Only one way to know for sure. So we will just have to see!
https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367
My beloved Talon Khorus do still sound awfully good. It will be interesting to see how the Moabs stock out of the box compare with these tweaked and modded warhorses. Both the strength, and the weakness, of the Khorus is using the 10" woofer to cover so much midrange. Its a strength because it makes for a very smooth and cohesive sound. But its a weakness because its asking a lot of such a large driver to go so high. Talon makes up for it with their isobaric design. Mounted inside and directly behind the woofer is another identical driver facing the opposite direction. The idea is this relieves the front facing driver of having to compress the air inside the cabinet. This does allow for a much faster response, and is a big reason for the wonderful music the Khorus produces.
I have a feeling however it is no match for Eric Alexander's ultra-low mass driver array solution. Only one way to know for sure. So we will just have to see!
https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367
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I don't know, but isn't the general wisdom on tweaks to get the know the sound of all the components in the system in their stock state, before embarking on tweaking? Also, isn't there a lengthy break-in process for a new component before it reaches what might be called its levelled-off stock state? |
@mahgister As @lalitk has already pointed out, you totally misconstrued my post. In a nutshell, it boils down to this (pardon the mixed metaphor): if you start applying tweaks within the first few days, you will never know if the changes you hear are due to the tweaks or due to the effects of break-in. And knowing which of those it is would surely be valuable, at least to some people. |
@speedbump6 Point of semantics. Jealousy is when you have something and are somehow afraid of losing it or it being taken away from you: e.g. Othello. Envy is when you don't have something but would like to have it: e.g. Cain and Abel. Speaking personally, the very last thing that I feel when I read this thread is envy, and as I live in a Moab-free environment, it's impossible for me to feel jealousy. |
Experimental variables. Removing one set of cables and plugging in another set, introduces too many variables in order to attribute reliably the change to any one factor that was altered. Likewise with changing the screws. This *might* make an improvement (just as yetis *might* be piloting UFOs), but there's no way to make a definitive determination. |
And for the ultimate listening experience, instead of Eames chair, try this. https://images.bidsquare.com/item/l/4840/4840135.jpeg?t=1HDXrz |
Just analyze for a minute what happened in that previous exchange. prof pointed out a very dubious claim made in some earlier post by millercarbon. He then parenthetically made an inference from that. speedbump6 chose to ignore the main point, and engaged exclusively with the parenthetical add-on. And so it goes for what passes for debate on this forum. |
The bottom-line take-away is that most speaker manufacturers most of the time exaggerate their products' sensitivity. One assumes because that makes them more marketable, because it would appear that a wider range of amps can drive them adequately. I do remember a John Atkinson report where he measured a *higher* sensitivity than that published by the manufacturer, but that finding is very, very rare. |
All judgments are ultimately subjective. All recommendations are ultimately subjective. All brands have their fanboys; sometimes the enthusiasm is based on first-hand (subjective) experience, sometimes it is not. But there's a point reached, when the verbiage gets out of control and becomes overwhelming, when the (adapted) Shakespeare principle must be applied: the poster "doth protest too much, methinks". |
Moab was Lot’s grandson. He was the offspring of Lot’s eldest daughter and, therefore, a child of incest. He was conceived after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot’s daughters believed they were the only ones left in the world and that it was their duty to bear children. Perhaps there should be a special deluxe salt finish for the two columns. |
Direct quotation of mc's contribution to a discussion of "Perfect speakers for audio Research Classic 30". The US is way bigger than Italy. Just as in Venice people are saying things like "hasn't been hit much" a whole lot of the US is full of people who think we haven't been hit much. Which in case you don't know I am in Seattle, where last I heard the death count is 95 and climbing, and all within 5 miles of my home. We are fortunate indeed that our beloved president Trump was quick to close off flights from the source of the China virus, China. He took heat for that but it proved to be the right move. In contrast to what is often reported our beloved president Trump is not in fact a dictator and actually has to work hard to convince the opposition to do what is right. Its a constant battle. He's winning. We are winning. Are they using hydroxychloroquine in Italy? Several studies now have shown a combination of hydroxycholorquine and azithromycin to eliminate the China virus in 100% of patients within 6 days. Israel is shipping enough to treat 1M and this has enabled our beloved president Trump to expedite release of HCQ from military stockpiles to be used immediately. Our beloved president Trump also got the FDA to approve its use. Unlike in many other countries here we are scared of letting people decide their own treatment and so this huge federal agency was blocking use of this powerful weapon against the China virus until our beloved president Trump stepped in and got it done incredibly fast. What we call Trump Time. |
In a completely hypothetical world, if Moabs are not what millercarbon imagines and he does send them back, what would be the next speaker he could/should/would be looking into? Are there even available options? The only way up from there is to have live bands come and play daily in his house and yard. And not just "unplugged" either. |
Everyone has her.his own interests, but to me Tekton business model and disciples' dedication is more interesting than Tekton speakers themselves.There's a direct correlation between the degree of fervor of the proselytizers and the seriousness of the flaws and drawbacks of the cause that they are attempting to promote. |
Tekton Enzo specs say 96.5, measured at 90.6 Just sayin'. https://www.stereophile.com/content/tekton-design-enzo-xl-loudspeaker-measurements |
With apologies to the Beach Boys. So there must be good vibrations and bad vibrations, right? So if we enter Michael Green tuning territory, perhaps he could find a way to attach, errr, vibrating devices to the outside of cabinets to counteract the bad vibes being generated in the cabinets themselves. Just a thought following up from @mapman . |