@inna
Thanks for the props. I concur with your assessment on how this country started and where it ended up. There's some good history on what parts of the eastern seaboard were controlled by which parts of England they came from and the dust is still on their shoes, so to speak.
They held no brook for those who came later, forcing them inland, and they too can be traced back to their original lands, along with their belief systems. Saying it's a old world in a new land nicely sums it up.
All the best,
Nonoise |
I could go on typing all day... And not really say much that hasn't been thoroughly debunked. |
No idea who you’re talking to--maybe yourself--but you type tens of thousands of words which ultimately reduce to "whoever I disagree with is obviously a Nazi and should not be allowed a voice."
A major appeal of an audio site is that we’re spared this kind of smug, intolerant cant. Well, at least we’re normally spared the political variety. You and a few others here need to go to political sites to share your bloviating . Your simplistic attempt to deflect did not go unnoticed. The topic is tariffs and if they're used as a tool to politically excite a base and citizenry for the effect of looking like a strongman, then that, is political. The guy doing it bypasses the democratic process (Congress decides tariffs), openly admires fascists, and is conflating the political and the economic on a scale that is dangerous. Mussolini coined the term fascist. Look it up. All the hoopla with the Mexican tariffs turned out to much ado about nothing. Victory was claimed and tariffs "hereby" rescinded (thank you, your majesty) when the conditions met were decided months ago. It was all an act, meant to distract, and swallowed whole by a lot of ditto heads. We buy more from Mexico than we do from China. A third of it comprises auto making. And in case you haven't noticed, smug political comments are the norm here, as long as they come from the right side of the aisle. Take a gander at past threads. It's when someone from the left counters such tripe is when you ladies get up on the table and hike up your skirts. All the best, Nonoise |
There’s a documentary about the 8th Air Force on cable (I think it’s HBO). It’s called The Cold Blue. Did anyone know that more airmen died than Marines? Of the 12,000 bomber crews, about 5,000 were shot down over Europe. Each B-17 held about 10 crew members. It never got above -20° and usually ran -60°. Frostbite took 10 minutes. It was like climbing Everest. Once a bomber started to spin your were doomed. Centrifugal force pinned you against the fuselage as you spun 6 miles to your death.
That is the price we paid for fighting fascists, which are whining about losing their spot on YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter.
Get with it people: you’re following a pied piper of the worst kind.
All the best,
Nonoise |
Inna, our paths overlap. Nothing like a good Veen Diagram. By the way, did you notice the awkward silence?
Those who have no real skin in the game can afford the price of the armchair warrior for (fill in the blank) cause. From the basement of their parents homes and the infernal pits of their imaginings (god forbid) they can rant, rave, and pontificate to their hearts desires, as long as they follow the script laid out for them, like a black and white coloring book with the prescribed colors laid out for them.
Color outside the lines and they lose membership as it's a rigid formula they must adhere to. That's the basis for authoritarianism. Anyone with a passing interest can simply look it up.
Ignore it all and you'll just repeat it. For some, it's the easier way to go through life.
All the best,
Nonoise |
@ghasley
Having heard both, but not all, iterations of the two, I'll still take solid state. Although my Kinki is made in China, the designer is a big fan of the Swiss approach to solid state design and when using something like Exicon output devices, the sound is so seductive.
@inna
I wasn't, but my dad was a vet from the Pacific Theater. It did a number on him and anyone who saw actual combat. Not the pacified version you see nowadays, but primitive, hand to hand combat in the harshest and most miserable of environs and conditions.
People shouldn't forget what fascists are, how they operate and how easy it is to be lulled by their siren songs.
All the best,
Nonoise |
I picked up a hint of Django Reinhardt in his playing, minus the frenzy he was fond of. Also, he does a nice interpretation of Claire de Lune. |
Keep drinking that Cruel-Aid Pepe and you’ll have all the folk from 4chan and 8chan over here in no time. I’ve never seen someone so openly delusional as you. I’ve read about them but to have you representing views that have been laughed out of the mainstream press is disheartening, to say the least.
What's next? Green frog and nazi avatars?
All the best,
Nonoise
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@ghasley
Commendable recommendations but I see someone crying favoritism when it would be the right thing to do. Those on the right would call it a form of affirmative action or something equally silly.
Along the same lines, if we ever get off our asses and start manufacturing solar panels and the like (think light industry instead of heavy) those areas that were decimated by the very jobs they did, to support industries that turned their backs on them, should be at the top of the list when it comes to considering locations of said industry.
All the best,
Nonoise |
Rivers on fire? We have the Chinese beat on that one. Remember back in June of '69? The Cuyahoga River? How about tap water in some areas of the mid west being lit by a lighter for the last several years? All that good fracking and improper waste disposal that would make the Chinese blush.
All the best,
Nonoise |
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It is has been demonstrated that the American Chief Executive (President) has successfully executed at least one phase of his tariff plan, policy, and strategy with the successful conclusion of discussions and negotiations with Mexico who has now fully complied with the terms, conditions, and requirements set forth by your CEO. This must annoy, confound, or disturb his "critics" and of course the "experts" hear who have so disrespectfully disputed the unqualified achievemnts, success, and accomplishments of the most successful CEO (President) that the US has ever had at least in recent years. Trump wisely, expertly, and successfully used the tools available to him and he is showing the truth that for him "trade wars are easy to win" and I would fully expect Americans to have faith in his abilities to continue to plan, complete, and execute his winning strategy. What a load, bunch and wagon full of PR, spin and outright falsehoods. This goes to show that every country has a radical, extremist and closed minded right wing element that hero worships any strongman, autocrat and tin god entity that comes their way. All the best, Nonoise |
There was a time when the conditions you would like to see were being operated under. But as jobs and manufacturing were being sent overseas (not stolen), the same movers and shakers were busy contributing to politicians to have labeling laws changed in order to fool American consumers.
What you want is not what they want.
All the best,
Nonoise
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If obesity is caused in part by over-consumption of low quality food, then what is the inevitable result of oversaturating our children with low-res MP3 heard through $9 earbuds?
Earbesity? |
Despite the rising levels of obesity in those who can afford to eat badly, or for those who don’t have healthy food choices but tons of fast food nearby, there are over 40 million Americans, 12 million who are children, who are classified as food insecure.
That means they don’t know where their next meal will come from or have the means to get it on their own. They don’t factor into the obesity statistics, which could lead someone to think, fake news.
One needs to be careful of statistics and who's using them. If, say, 20 guys are in a bar one night and their average income is $40,000 a year, you'd think they were an average American. If Bill Gates were to join them, their average income would be $255 million, and that would be misleading.
All the best,
Nonoise |
@ghasley
It was something analogous to what you mentioned right before.
Cleverness, like curiosity, can kill the cat.
But I've got 3 or 4 more lives left.
All the best,
Nonoise |
It wasn't half bad. Never named anyone and yet..... |
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Boogerville is on my bucket list, along with the lessor 7 Wonders of the World. |
I feel a sense of equilibrium setting in.
Thanks @ghasley
All the best,
Nonoise |
If you consider words actions then yes, if not - anyone can say anything, Nazi or not. The point is they were going beyond mere words. They were doxing people, showing up and threatening them, and encouraging others like them to do the same. It's that type of stochastic terrorism that'll get the knuckle draggers to actually commit the physical act, while those giving voice to such crap hide behind the 1st ammendment, saying, "It wasn't me!" All the best, Nonoise |
@jonesandezekiel,
The silenced voices you refer to on those sites were Nazis, white supremacists, and radical nut jobs who used the platforms to incite hate and foment violence against others not like them, as well as using the sites as recruiting platforms.
It's one thing to speak a point of view on a subject and another to force it on a society. These jerks wouldn't be around if we were still in the years following WWII. Returning GIs would have solved the problem for us and no one would have objected.
They would have been found in alleys, dumpsters, landfills and floating face down in a river. If they survived, they would have woken up in a hospital breathing through a scab. There are not fine people on both sides.
All the best,
Nonoise |
To be quite honest, all of my criticisms of him were factual and in line, like yours, and yet the more exacting and salient were deleted.
Tread carefully.
All the best,
Nonoise |
You have to be careful or you'll get your knuckles rapped.
Admin has already chimed in with a "Thou Shalt not Disparage the Trump" dictum lest one incur counter measures. I guess praising him is okay.
All the best,
Nonoise |
Well, the new Village People trade policy (USMCA) has resulted in around 10% more trade imbalance (the wrong way). So far, so good?
Can't wait for the loss of small businesses and the cascading effects if and when the Mexico tariffs go into effect.
Big businesses can absorb immediate hits but the mom and pop shops can use the thoughts and prayers approach and see how it works.
All the best,
Nonoise |
😄😄😄👍
They don't call it the world's oldest profession for nothing. The trouble is, when it's mentioned, no one envisions men in suits in corporate boardrooms or the halls of congress.
All the best,
Nonoise |
That's too easy. Use coal to make steel but not to heat water into steam in order to spin a turbine, like the wind does.
The underlying logic that seems to defy some here is that steps have to be taken for progress to be made. Subsides have to be shifted in order to do so.
Lots of R&D and time will bring costs down, like in any endeavor.
No one likes to admit it and they always leave out the military costs of securing and protecting oil resources and reserves. That's one hell of a subsidy but when you honestly factor it in, renewables look like the cheaper way to proceed.
Everything needs something else to be made. It doesn't come to us wrapped in a bow. It's a matter of policy and priorities and some sane minds to figure it all out, not some bottom line of a profit driven corporation, answering to it's shareholders, which, the last time I looked, aren't mentioned in the Constitution.
All the best,
Nonoise
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What China has is automakers like BMW, Volvo, Buick and other makes being made in China, for the Chinese market, with the eventuality that they will export to other parts of the globe. China may be around 5 years behind in chip manufacturing but they have 40% of the global phone market.
Saying they live in bunk beds in slave labor is true for some parts of the country but how is it any different for some parts of this country? Ever been to some of the poorer parts of the Appalachians? How about coal country? We had sharecroppers until the ’60s living in deplorable conditions.
People said American labor couldn’t build any of the Japanese or German models here because of the unskilled labor but we build them to the same standard as their home countries. Just wait and see how China fares in the near term as they ramp up their industries even more.
How is it that they can send 12GW up to 3,293 kilometers and the best we can do is 1.5 GW for about 700 kilometers? They built the lines so their coal plants can send power across the country but instead, are going to solar and wind to send power back to the area of the coal plants. They employ UHVDC (high voltage direct current transmission) which is more stable and flexible bypassing unsynchronized AC systems.
The biggest HVDC line we have was built in 1961, in California, and operates at 500KV, and hasn't been improved much since it's inception. To make it better would mean some others wouldn't fare that well anymore.
Only Walmart is bigger than the company that runs their power grids, State Grid. India is using their tech and Oklahoma wind farms tried to use it to send power but Arkansas, back by this administration, killed the project to single out and support more coal plant operations using the less efficient system. It would have reduced emissions by up to 80% at no extra cost but someone is playing favorites.
All the best,
Nonoise |
Is that room oval shaped? |
Admin, you da boss. What you says goes.
No harm, no foul.
All the best,
Nonoise |
I was out for an hour and the snowflakes were busy: another post deleted. We have some real haters here. They can dish it out but can't take it. Please, own it and admit it, but don't go running to the mods with your panties in a bunch.
All the best,
Nonoise |
It would seem that since then, individual selfishness has resulted in the will of the minority taking precedence over the will of the majority and has resulted in political parties caring more about the power of the party than the good of the people Perfectly stated. Our founding fathers called these types of parties, factions, and were to be avoided at all costs. It happens when the wealthy pollute the politics with their goals and desires at the expense of the less well off. I remember when Richard Dryefuss was on a talk show (Politically Correct?) long after being an actor and on hiatus teaching American Civics and the Constitution over in England, and he said that if we’re not careful, this 200+ year experiment in democracy will be nothing more than a memory if we don’t work to keep it. It will just be a shining blip in the dark history of mankind. All the best, Nonoise |
The only upside to all of this is if they shut this thread down, we'll all have to listen to our stereos. Heaven forbid!
But like all good topics too good to ignore, it will rise like a phoenix, metamorphosed in a different guise, and soldier on, revealing all the ready and willing actors waiting stage side.
All the best,
Nonoise |
I think it should go on. It's not down to the level of YouTube banter and still is incredibly civil. It's the one sided censoring at what would seem the behest of those who want it ended that entertains my thoughts as of late.
Wasn't there a thread that was deleted that a certain someone wanted to keep going that traveled the same route as this one? Is it ownership of the thread or the content that irks?
Better minds need chime in before fate intervenes.
All the best,
Nonoise |
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Great discussion to wake up to, even with the expected snide remarks (looking at you, millercarbon) 😄
Great and level headed points from all even if there is disagreement. Were did all the comity come from? If only it could always be this civil.
The one boogyman that I want to address is the supposed hold that China has on us and how they can trigger something awful should they choose to do so. It's not so.
As of now, China holds about 5.6%% of our debt, Japan about 4.8%, and the rest of the world, about 18.9%. Whenever anyone sells off our bills, it's immediately scooped up by someone else. We are still the big dog and will continue to be world's reserve currency for the long term, foreseeable future.
China can't knock us down by itself: it would take every holder of US debt to collectively band together against us and who better to make that more than a passing thought than that certain someone who claims to be a nationalist but is a dyed in the wool globalist with business interest all around the world and acts like the world is his personal ant farm.
China needs to maintain larger reserves of US debt to prop up their currency (renminbi). Some even go so far as to describe China as a paper tiger that can stumble faster than Japan did with their downturn a couple of decades ago, not to mention what Asia, as a whole, went through in the late '90s.
China is doing now what we did back in the Savings & Loans scandal when we built more buildings than could be occupied, played fast and loose with regulation, and severely hurt the economy, setting the stage for the likes of Enron, pension theft, and one side of our political spectrum modeling themselves after the Soviets what with the denouncement of government, gangster capitalism, privatization of the commons and utilities, the rise of mercenary armies, and growing inequality.
It's a wild, wild, wild, wild, world.
All the best,
Nonoise |
I wouldn't bet against China. Back in the late '80s, early '90s, they were predicted to be eating our lunch by leading economists and the Pentagon.
Being at the top of the food chain, directing policy or just observing, they saw all the trends that would lead to our present situation and urged us to be prepared for it.
No one really listened. Now it's a great hobby horse to rail against. TPP was meant to reign in China on all sides to combat their aggression but someone who didn't like his legacy decided to dismantle every thing he did. Go figure.
All the best,
Nonoise |
Two characters come to mind from Through the Looking Glass,
Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb. |
@millercarbon,
In all seriousness, are you on a Kool-Aid IV drip that you pull around on rollers? |
Actually, if memory and google serves me correctly, the tariffs exacerbated the Great Depression, not caused it. They came about a year after the 1929 stock market crash. It’s a linear thing. And there is a leading, noted, Nobel Prize winning economist who thinks otherwise: "But didn’t the Smoot-Hawley tariff cause the Great Depression? No. There’s no evidence at all that it did. Yes, trade fell a lot between 1929 and 1933, but that was almost entirely a consequence of the Depression, not a cause. (Trade actually fell faster during the early stages of the 2008 Great Recession than it did after 1929.) And while trade barriers were higher in the 1930s than before, this was partly a response to the Depression, partly a consequence of deflation, which made specific tariffs (i.e., tariffs that are stated in dollars per unit, not as a percentage of value) loom larger." --Paul Krugman All the best, Nonoise |
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@ghasley
Thanks for the primer. 👍
The next time we hear "There’s a new tariff in town," think, for a minute.
All the best,
Nonoise |
Well, there goes the neighborhood. 😄
But, in keeping within the parameters of the topic, the price of audio from China as it relates to tariffs, I can't wait for some sanity to somehow creep back into the minds of those who understand American tariff laws and how they are legally enacted, as a countervailing force to the imbecilic and illegal way it's been recently done.
All of this is a made up crisis, our economy be damned.
All the best,
Nonoise |
@oregonpapa
I agree with your latest post on China but they are norm, and in comparison to North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and even Russia, they look less and less onerous. Yet, our leaders make deals with them and personally profit from it and when the cameras are on, they denounce them when it suits them.
Nothing bad will be said about Russia since a certain someone still wants to build his hotel there after he leaves office. That same certain someone went around Congress and gave high tech nuclear info to the very country that flew two airliners into the World Trade Center just 16 days after they butchered a journalist with American legal residency.
Take your pick. It's like floating down a river of shite and picking out one turd and saying, "this one really pisses me off."
All the best,
Nonoise
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It's not so much lies as half truths. We all spy on each other. We're no angels in that regard. Some cry for free markets but there's no such thing, and there will never be.
Some cry out for capitalism to rule the day yet forget that Adam Smith based his economic model with the proviso that it's all done to protect domestic markets, but go to any Chamber of Commerce office with a business plan and they'll instruct you on how to go to Asia to have it made and American taxpayers will foot the bill for your move.
You can't demand allegiance to a country and then abandon it when it suits markets. Yet, that is what our business leaders do, on a regular basis. 30% of the shareholders in American corporations are foreigners. About the same amount got that big tax break that benefited the already filthy rich. Look online and see how much land in America is foreign owned, which unless we nationalize it (how commie like) we'll never get it back.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Well, I dared to click on that Breitbart link and lo and behold, a true believer of a foot soldier decries communism and totalitarianism in the halls of congress.
Is he referring to Ivanka Trump and the more than 34 trademarks she got from communist China?
Or the deals Trump is making with the Chinese on the side?
Or Mitch McConnells wife, Chou, who’s father owns one of the world’s largest shipping lines representing communist China, and happens to be our Transportation secretary in the White House and deals with Chinese nationals at Mar-A-Lago?
Or Mitch himself, who took $2.5 million from a sanctioned Russian commie thug for his reelection campaign and allowed that commie to build an aluminum plant in his state? Talk about Kentucky going red.
Or is he talking about Trump’s love of autocratic communist leaders that he professes love and admiration for?
Or could it be that the guy mentioned in the article is playing the commie card knowing full well that the intended audience (typical close minded FOX viewer) is not going question his lies?
All the best,
Nonoise |
@ghasley
Thank you for the kind words. I just wish I could compose my thoughts as well and as elegantly as you do. I should have gone farther than just an A.A. degree. 😄
All the best,
Nonoise |
@rodman99999
Now here's something we can agree on! Any S.S. monies borrowed by the politicians have to be paid back. Since when can they claim some form of bankruptcy when they created the mess? Bills were forced on Americans who tried to create jobs and business, and failed or were overwhelmed by medical bills, only to have no second chance but to repay, in full, plus interest, on their debts. I think it was Thomas Jefferson who had something like 7 bankruptcies trying to invent and create something that would benefit people.
All the best,
Nonoise |
@ghasely
Agreed. A great corollary to what you just said was when a talk show host asked a German businessman why he paid so much in taxes and didn’t mind it. His response was that he’d rather be a wealthy man in a wealthy country, than a wealthy man in a poor country.
The Nordic countries, where taxation is high, have a B.M.I. (a basic monthly income that guarantees a livable standard) and what used to be a minimum wage of around $20/hr so yes, they were and are more than happy to pay higher taxes since they’re covered from the cradle to the grave. They have the best outcomes in all measured areas, the lowest inequality, and lead the happiest lives on the planet.
Americans who’ve worked in these countries were amazed at the quality of life, only to be back under stress when returning home.
All the best,
Nonoise |
