Put that in your pipe(s) and smoke it
I'll say it again: let's seek out the gem's and leave the rest, folks. Ignore the trolls, or be selective of the actual content they bring up - should you choose to reply; it may even hold an unexpected, worthwhile observation or two on a subject that could put into perspective our endeavors here.
More importantly, if we want this forum to allow for free speech and a degree of resilience, some around here should reconsider their liberal urge to hit the 'report' button, because that's the thing that truly annoys me and what I'd call the real trolls around here: the one's feeling offended on grounds I imagine to be so relative to their own agenda, indeed petty in nature, that their reporting a post or thread is likely to see no further inquiry by the admins and is therefore, simply by virtue of being a report alone, put into effect as an actual deletion.
We should be able to hold a conversation without someone feeling taken aback over what is, in the bigger scheme of things, insignificant issues. If not it's an ongoing, sad tendency to shut the mouths of those we don't agree with, or for some other flimsy reason don't like.
More importantly, if we want this forum to allow for free speech and a degree of resilience, some around here should reconsider their liberal urge to hit the 'report' button, because that's the thing that truly annoys me and what I'd call the real trolls around here: the one's feeling offended on grounds I imagine to be so relative to their own agenda, indeed petty in nature, that their reporting a post or thread is likely to see no further inquiry by the admins and is therefore, simply by virtue of being a report alone, put into effect as an actual deletion.
We should be able to hold a conversation without someone feeling taken aback over what is, in the bigger scheme of things, insignificant issues. If not it's an ongoing, sad tendency to shut the mouths of those we don't agree with, or for some other flimsy reason don't like.
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@b_limo -- ... u ever try talking to Kenjit? No, I imagined early on an empty food bowl would be the best to leave here, but seems to me he’s been well fed. That’s not saying there can’t be something of worth in his writings, as I pointed out earlier. Look, this is not about named poster or a defense of him/her. It’s about subjects that can be relevant to these boards, and that finding them can come from places one wouldn’t expect. Plus all the rest I’ve already drawn out. |
@nonoise -- ... Protest wasn’t my aim but rather concern with free speech, tackling a "troll" and maintaining that even he can occasionally hit on what’s, in essence, a worthwhile topic (something about avoiding throwing out the baby with the bathwater). My use of the term ’liberal’ wasn’t meant to be politically infused, but to suggest people - in some instances - use the ’report’ button too frequently: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/liberal If you or others insist on the political connotation, well, there’s a case of classic projection.. |
@mozartfan -- Here come the mods ready to shut this topic. My takeaway with the specific cases was some users being ninjas with the 'report'-button, not deletions originally prompted by the admins. @nonoise -- To wake up and see my post removed for something so petty, and wrong, was off-putting. One relates.. @hilde45 -- ... If this thread is so worthless, why take any time to read it or comment upon it? If talking about trolling...is pretty much...trolling, then talking about talking about trolling is...more trolling. +1 @cal91 -- phusis...I'm glad you clarified your use of the term "liberal", but it did come across as political. ... English not being my first language is hardly an excuse, but at the time of posting it felt like a "good enough" term to use in the context of my intention. Oh well.. ... Political correctness is simply being a decent person. It can also be playing a converging tune that takes the form of an unfortunate precedence, or as poster @unsound put it: "There’s nothing wrong with expecting people to be decent to each other. But it’s another thing to invite the thought police." @hilde45 -- ... The "free speech" business is an attempt to cut the OP's original topic short, which attempts to raise the question of norms or best practices. In the OP's view, stifling discussion with the "report" button doesn't allow for a sufficiently vigorous exchange of ideas. That's a reasonable issue to discuss and debate, itself, but it's not in the arena of "free speech." Eloquently put. |
@djones51 -- This forums value and purpose is to discuss music and the equipment that reproduces it, if the moderators allow the subject to stray to far afield from that purpose then it's value has been diminished. This arena is not the public square where any idiot can scream at the top of his voice his displeasure on any subject and when I see conspiracy theory nonsense and links to sites that promote them you can bet I'm banging on the report flag. Moreover it's not an arena "... where any idiot can scream at the top of his voice his displeasure on any.. " 'posts' that he or she disapproves of by quickly fingering the report option, especially in light of: @unsound ... It seems as though the initial accusations are rewarded, before confirmation of the veracity of the allegations being made. That's the main contention, but indeed a fine line to walk sometimes by the moderators judging whether to close a post/thread or not. My initial gripe was seeing threads going by the wayside when valid questions were there to be further explored (and not knowing whether the issue was the poster who initiated the thread or whether the subject matter rubbed someone the wrong way - it may even have been both), not least the deletions that followed where I inquired into these matters of reporting too easily/frequently (and following their calls with deletions). That's why I'm happy to see this thread re-surfaced. @northman -- Also, no one's free speech is imperiled by questioning why this thread was posted in the *speakers* forum (unless it's a subtle bit of etymological fun). Context; my first reaction was the deletion of a thread on speaker improvement (or not) these last 20 years, and hence in light of what followed it seemed only natural to initiate this thread on this particular forum section so to involve those connected in these followings. So, no "etymological fun" but rather a natural consequence of what unspooled here. @tuberculin -- Does that include @millercarbon and @kenjit? I notice their usual nonsense is missing in this thread. My focus is neither, really. |