Himiguel, you might want to post that responce at least one more time, not sure I got it.
Just Joking! Joking! Joking! Ha! Ha!
Okay guys so can someone enlighten me how this could be unless the speed is not consistant with the prior controller.
The controller powers either a single or multible motors, the motors have a collar ontop which the belt rests within and the other end goes arround the tables platter spinning it.
I would think there must be something going on with the speed if it's sonically making changes.
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Hi Manitunic, just to clarify the motors for TW tables don't have separate plug-in cords. They actually have leads that connect to the main controller unit which is being mentioned in this thread and has the ad on power cord.
My thoughts are it's still gotta have something to do with speed consistancy over all, what else could it be.
Niether the controller unit or motors are directly connected to the table it's self drving it, there is a belt that actually makes this connection.
Question; I know when one sets up for speed there is no record being played, I would think that once the stylus is on the record there must be some drag.
How much? and what effect does this have on the actual speed, slowing it down etc. depending on the record cut it's self and how much resistance effect.
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Hi Elinor,
how can this be? The controller just controls the motor or motors depending on which table you have.
The motor/motors have a belt attached to the pully and then the belt goes around the platter of the table.
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I see by reading some relies above it's apparent you guys have a axe to grind in relation to TW product instead of just staying on topic, why is this.
Jealous! Envious!
Some of the statements made are just nonsence and non constructive in relation to this specific thread and what the OP has posted.
It's find to flavour another product but to start babbling on with silly comments in the end only demonstrats the lack of your credibility.
I'm a proud owner of a TW Black Knight, I have owned a few other TW tables prior to this one but I'm still curious in discussing the thread at hand, being open minded.
I have friends who try different belts, thread, mylar, turn off the sucktion of the platter, use different motors and on. Some of these changes are very noticable and positive, others are questionable.
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Hi Manitunc, you know how this hobby is sometimes things are heard by some and not others. I believe our minds play with us at times. I've been present with some demonstrating gadgets and they are most defiantely wowed but personally I'm not getting it.
Some post using the wrong words "astounding" could be one because they were just overly enthusiatic at the moment, I know I have personally done this.
I'm just trying to understand what is going on if this in fact is taking place, just as I have mentioned in my prior posting. In friends set-ups I have heard the differences by just changing different belt materials, belts to mylar tape, string etc.
All of these are driven by a motor which is usually powered by a controller of some sort if external, what ever the material is attached to the motors spindle and then around the tables platter.
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Hi Slowhand,
if you re-read your original posting you actually said allot more than that which opened up further discussions.
You posted Jeff saying;
"Jeff, at Highwater Sound has said that owners of the TW Acustic Raven One turntable can experience a huge improvement in sound by replacing the Raven One motor controller with the controller from the Raven AC turntable."
which opened up discussions, doesn't that have you wondering how this can be.
Blackburn,
it's okay not to like a specific product or product line but why do you continue to troll sites posting sarcasm instead of being constructive. All one needs to do is read your PAST history of only seven postings. In reading such you mention in so many words how you did your evaluations, "EVERYONE STAND UP AND CLAP for William" you actually haven't even had any of the product in your set-up but quickly become opinionated which is okay but to me only demonstrates your lack of credibility.
The table is only a part of the set-up and for you to say they are boring sounding is just rediculous.
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Jdolgin,
that's great you had such an experience but what's with the tone of your post. I don't want to get into a debate but if you read the opening post of Slowhand there is allot more to it than you are implying.
Slowhand, in general for what ever reason I find allot of threads in general take on this tone as you wrote;
"wolves will attack" and "These days they just say you are stupid for liking this product or that brand of equipment."
if you are going to post be prepared but that's life. I wouldn't take it personally, most haven't owned and are just trolling and babbling away.
At the same time there are allot of great individuals providing info. to assist.
Personaly I like to try to be as open minded and subjective as possible.
If you have read any of my past threads you would be aware I originally wanted to buy a Black Knight but decided to get my feet wet first and purchased a Raven One, then purchased a AC3 and I actually did the controller swap, also swapped out trying different motors (amount being used) with the AC3 again noticing differences and now as I've already wrote above I'm a proud owner of the Black Knight and loven it.
For me, I know I'm repeating myself but was just currious with what the heck is going on and if anyone knew, wouldn't you and any others?
Pick your poision, which ever it may be and ENJOY!
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If you think so, at least the other thread started titled
"Motor Controller effect on analog sound"
started by Peterayer offers allot of constructive postings by individules minus the non-constructive postings made by some individules above who only seem to have one agenda.
Don't see any of these individules postings their silly comments over there, wonder why.
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Blackburn, we get it that you don't like any TW products and that's okay and that's your opinion but your sarcastic remarks and personal attacks towards actual owners are unnesecary and clearly only demonstrates the type of individual you are.
You seem to do allot of babbling about this or that but in the end you don't actually share facts to back such comments up. To me this just demonstrates a lack of your credibility.
What does your system consist of?
It's obvious by reading your thread above you have never actually owned or personally had any of the different models in your own set-up but only heard a AC in a freinds set-up other wise you would not have not wrote allot of the info. which you have.
If you have any first hand experience what so ever you know there is allot more to the system than just the table it's self.
Enlighten us because so far your threads posted are far from being constructive and you come across that you are the end all who knows all, help us please!
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Blackburn,
Look forward to your responce and assistance.
Quickly weeding through your postings it appears that you might own a direct drive table, amps you mentioned in one thread you own are 12 year old ML2's, kindly let us know.
If you do own a direct drive table and this type of table design is your refference and flavour that you prefer than that assists in reading some of your past comments because from what I have heard direct tables offer a different sonic flavour and thats okay, so far any tables of this design that I have heard would not be my personal refference but just a second table to offer another sonic flavour in the end neither being right or wrong but just different and a prefference.
Sorry to hi-jack this thread with this info. but when I constaintly read someone being so opinionated I try to retrieve a little more info. to assist so to be on the same level.
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Lewm,
I'm curious in relation to Blackburn's set-up because it's not just this thread but others I have read postings that allot of sarcasm is offered instead of being constructive, that being said I did read in one thread Blackburn said;
"30 plus Gs for my current front end is serious bread for anyone and right now I feel foolish."
curious to know, the norm is to share our experiences and compare, this is how we learn right.
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Blackburn,
suggesting I'm upset or tender is just too funny on your part and so far from being the truth, in actual fact it's the total opposite.
Again I'll ask because you have not provided;
Enlighten us on your comments made because so far your threads posted are far from being constructive and you come across that you are the end all who knows all, help us please!
Another simple question that you have eluted was;
What does your set-up consist of?
Now that you have mentioned that you have two set-ups one with a direct drive table but is not actually your reference front end that you have mentioned in another thread that you have 30 plus Gs and feel foolish invested.
You appear to be pretty SECRETIVE for some reason but at the same time very opinionated with your remarks in postings in general in relation to other gear.
Here's mine;
Table - TW Black Knight
Arms - TW 10.5 and REED 12"
Carts - A90 and MSL Ultra
Pre-amp - VAC Sig MK2a w/phono
Amps - VAC Statement 450's
Speakers - MBL 101E's
Cables - Stealth through out
Will most likely add a DD table at some point for a different flavour.
We're waiting!
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Hi Lewm, nice posting you beat me to it, even Blackburn recommended this in a saracastic way, I was just laughing knowing that this is nonsence.
One members reply in the other thread added saying;
At any rate, don't plug your DC motor controller into an AC motor controller as a "filter box". Man, people post some stupid things.
Curious Syntax what is your responce to that.
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Blackburn,
again another post that you are just babbling away.
suggesting it costs 50 g's for a TW BK, again you are wrong which just further demonstrates your lack of credibilty.
I still don't see a list of your associated gear, why are you being so secretive? oh ya I recall you saying you feel foolish for having over $30k invested in your front end but then you make a snyd remark what do we call that ...
"Finally , 50 gs for a TW BK like I said the high end industry know their customers well."
Who cares about how much something really cost, this whole audio hobby as a whole is crazy priced.
Come on be a trooper and provide a list so we can comment on some of your gear choices as you have done to others in your previous postings, you surely dish it out enough.
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Hi Syntax,
curious why would you write such;
"I would replace it with the VPI motor unit + SDS"
Is that what works BEST with your modified Micro Seiki RX-5000 table?
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Syntax, okay but I still don't understand why you would sugest such, no need to explain.
It's great that Peterayer started the other thread, the individuals who have posted there have been very helpful, what a difference from some individuals who have posted in this thread.
No attacks, not trying to suggests something is wrong with what they have but instead just very educational, proper info. traded back and forth, I personally never knew there was that much going on and involved.
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Blackburn,
I think you are missing the point, just so you know I'm not obsessing over you or your gear.
I personally have nothing against you and truely enjoy discussing with others in this whole audio thing we have in common but when someone "YOUR POSTS" are aggresive basically telling people what ever they own is crap, broken, over priced etc. is just wrong.
When someone "SOME OF YOUR STATEMENTS" are just not true and again come across as an attack well you know this is just wrong.
You can read through my past threads and see that I don't bash individules, suggest thier gear is crap etc. but I will call the person out just like I have with you.
You weren't suggesting I buy "A" list product from the reviews were you? or you you saying you do? because if you were referring to me that is absolutely not true I don't even read them.
Who cares what one pays or what one costs, it's all relative and if the person can aford it why are you so darn concerned.
My VAC amps list for $78K, my MBL's $60K that's allot more than the TW BK table. I'm looking at purchasing a car that will cost me over $300K, who cares I can afford it.
Again even in this posting you seem to have a reason to slam and be sarcastic when you say;
"long story that you and your TW brothers would find madding complicated and confusing."
Why so sarcastic again? it's not needed.
Refer to my first posting in this specific thread and read it, I was trying to find out what was actually going on, it's you and a few others posting who appear to have hidden agendas and a axe to grind with TW product.
Please educate me, I'm always open minded. What's the big secret, tell us what you have.
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Manitunc, refer to the other thread titled
"Motor Controller effect on analog sound"
some interesting info. there.
Tdaudio, not a problem for me, I did learn some things from the info. provided in the other thread by members. |
