Should people with no turntable or reel to reel be considered audiophiles?

Wait, there are actual drivers here who drive automatic transmission cars? You must be kidding. Even Porsche can be ordered without it. I thought you guys are serious about driving and after ten pages I find out it is just a pose.

looscannon,

"Glupson is the type who will order the Burmester system when he gets his Porsche."

You are correct. That would be a must. Same for S Coupe. The difference is that in S you can actually hear something while driving while in 911 GTS it is a bit of a struggle. You could hear it in the Cayenne, but it is not a Porsche, apparently, so it does not matter.

Luckily for me, a Porsche is not in near future so I do not have to think too much about it.

Speaking of cars and audiophiles, another small thing. A few years ago, you could pay extra $1000-1500 (I forgot details) for Premium Harman-Kardon system in BMW. Once you read through the instructions (close to the last page, if not the last, in an on-screen manual in the car), it warned you it worked for resolutions up to 320kbps and that's it. It also warned you not to attach any storage device/hard drive to the USB port. Basically, you would pay extra for better sound that you were not supposed to use.

In reality, it worked with FLACs (any resolution), and even with MP3s of higher resolutions.

wsrrsw,

"All this bunk makes me want to get a Tesla..."

The last time I tried it, a couple of years ago, it was the ultimate non-audiophile car. You could only listen to music via Bluetooth (or radio). USB ports were for charging, it seemed. I am not sure if it has changed since then, but be careful.

"Like real audiophiles use MCs... and not MM/MI/MF ’things’... 😥"

That qualifies millercarbon as an audiophile. He is the genuine MC.

"Glupson said only an audiophile can be deluded into thinking directional wire and wire elevators work, but before that said they don’t get sucked into that thinking. Which is it?"

I would like to clarify, but I am fully lost with that sentence. I somehow do not remember it. I would think that, overall, other people ("non-audiophiles") may be more prone to believing in whatever "audiophiles" say, cable elevators included, than audiophiles. Audiophiles waste more time thinking about these kinds of things. Normal people just shrug their shoulders.

"...just as Fiat Dino and Lancia Stratos owners are embraced by Ferrari owners."

You mean Lancia Stratos owners actually accept to mingle with Ferrari owners? Now, that is what you call not being snobbish and letting mundane ones rub the shoulders with you.

What is next? Delta HF Integrale asking for approval at some beauty contest?

boxer12,

Land Rover (short) used to be my dream car. It never became the reality. I only got as far as to be chauffeured in the back of the white ambulance-converted one (looked like it was from the 1960s-1970s, I guess). For a good reason.

I did ride in the Police 911, too. For no good reason.

Quick, no cheating on Google (although it will take you a little there, too), what files and to what resolution does a Burmester system in 911GTS play?

Audiophilic Porschephiles, you know it for sure. If you do not, you are neither.

"...I think the best is just waving the flag and listening to XM/Sirius "

Not many of those stock car stereo cassette players came with Sirius or XM.

In another car, I found Sirius/XM so bad that even news were unlistenable. Partly due to sound quality and partly due to content.

Burmester in Mercedes S Coupe is quite good.

Speaking of Burmester in this thread, check them out in non-Porsches like Cayenne, too.

So, you can be a Porschephile and audiophile at the same time. They put them in the little ones, too. How will you fit in it is another question and what your body will do to first, second, third, and eighteenth reflections is yet another question only audiophilic Porrschephiles may be able to answer.

"...on each of two serious systems..."

I have no serious system. All of mine are there for entertainment.

geoffkait,

Shame on you for wondering the same as I did.

looscannon,

A and B was referring to your example of pain. Anyway, to cut it short, it might have been a clumsy analogy.

I have been around the world, nobody ate me. I also have no friends who are looking forward to kill people. Maybe we are not typical crowd, that is true.

looscannon,

:Glupson, and anything in between. There is no A or B. It is a continuum from dead to shrieking."

That is a new development in pain transfer. You shattered it all. No more A, B, and C fibers with their different structure?

"...miller, soko, and robert all waiving their tusks around at each other."

jji666 wins the award for the most imaginative post of the week on an ever increasingly bizarre forum site.

I report that I am not trying to ascend anyone in this forum.

"DOn't know of anyone crazy trying to play analogue in the car."

I have a cassette player in the car and, if I decide to play any music, I play cassettes. Most of them recorded from LPs. Real LPs, from way back when.

"Pain is a good example. I can step on your foot and get a certain level of pain and I can take a full swing at your foot with a sledge hammer and that will get a more intense level of pain. Very analog."

Would stepping be C and sledge hammer A? Or both are A? Sledge hammer should be A, but what about stepping? I am really not sure, but would like to learn. Is it really a good example against what rauliegas was trying to convey?

"A few English ones might even sneak through before you try to kill me. Very typical human behavior."

Oh man, you have been hanging out with the wrong crowd.

asvjerry,

Thanks for your trust (in my posts).

"Yup, that grey mush inside ones' skull."

Strangely so, this thread has been discussing the white one, not the grey one.

"I’ve been away from digital for quite a few years, am I missing something new and exciting."

Try newer DACs.

rauliruegas,

""" Still, if anyone is keeping tabs, it is not continuous. """

More clear than clean water.

Do not quote me around here. Usually, nobody takes my statements seriously.

As much as electrical impulses may not be continuous, over period of time it is enough of them to make it practically continuous, I think. I mean, there are short bursts, but there is so many of them and so close together that final outcome is practically smooth and virtually continuous. And then someone added neurotransmitters to the story which ends up going into a whole new ocean. Which is really a neurophysiology realm and barely discussible on a thread where people have varied backgrounds. From real estate agents to virologists.

"...they release impulses that fire off axons in a continuous fashion."

If impulses turn into a continuous something, do they need some kind of converter?

raulliruegas,

"Dear @glupson : you are rigth."

I would like to use your quote from now on.

I forgot what the details were, but someone earlier mentioned action potential, too. I am not sure if it was supposed to be analog, digital, continuous, or something else in that sentence. Still, if anyone is keeping tabs, it is not continuous.

"...the brain information through the Axon is continuous."

If we are really disassembling it to this level, for the sake of disassembling, then saltatory conduction should not be ignored. Could that signal be called "non-continuous"? I do not know what to do with it in this case, but Nodes of Ranvier do exist.

"...Porsche owners totally changed and not for the better..."

Does it mean that, relatively speaking, non-Porsche owners became better?

"geoff might know..."

I cannot wait 🥱 for him to wake up ⏰ and give 🎁 us an explanation🔮 of multidirectional 🔁 photonic 📸 cable entanglement ⚛️. 🧻🧻🧻

That complicates it. If the cable tangles, do directions nullify each other? Where is geoffkait to enlighten us?

Perfect for geoffkait’s headphone cable. We just have to figure the direction out because he will not be able to,

thecarpathian,

Just so you do not think I was making it up...

glupson

10-18-2018 11:10pm

"Another prominent cable designer believes..."

Prominent cable designer gets three points for admitting to believe rather than claiming.

Instead of burn-in, cable risers, and all other ideas, why someone would not make cables with the principle of Schwann cells? That seems like a very logical next step. Hop-hop and there is a new dimension of "fast" in audio. My cable is faster than yours.

Come on, manufacturers who are quietly monitoring these threads to see what could be sold, try that. Nobody would be able to argue it is crap. It has worked for thousands and thousands and thousands of years and has been produced in countless billions. Now, just to figure out how to make it and that is all. What you are doing now is a copper-age joke.

We are sorry, but we have not had that length in stock since the dinosauri got extinct.

What about saltatory conduction?

Which, for the record, I have been asking why no fancy cable manufacturer caught on yet.

EEG (Electroencephalogram) shows up as wavy (I.e., continuous) lines. """

that's because is the only way the printer works.

Close, partially correct, not complete. It is electrical activity that is picked up. Electrical activity of many cells at any given point in time. In practice, at that any given point in time there will be some (many) that are firing so the net-signal picked will appear continuous regardless of the way each individual cell is doing it (continuous/intermittent).

Also, thanks to advances in digital storage, does anyone still use printers for EEG? It is so 1980s.

geoffkait,

"What a dumfukker! 🤗"

Come on, I lifted your style so well. And made it more cerebral.

"Perhaps the brain activity of someone who listens to a lot of digital music would show up as a series of blocks on the EEG graph."

Perhaps it would be a lots of jitter. Wait, it already looks like jitter. Nevermind, it was jitterkait’s EEG.

"Digital is the heroin substitute, when you can’t get the real thing. Your dealer is in quarantine or whatever.  🤗"

For whatever reason, I noticed that news about some drug busts often mention "digital scale". That much about above analogy. Wait, did I just say "analog"?

"...a search of his home uncovered yet more of the drug, and digital scales..."

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/18522682.whitehaven-heroin-dealer-said-600-stash-get-lockdown/

"We must enjoy each for what it is, not for what it is not...."

I enjoy digital for not needing to adjust this and that and for not wearing out over time.

Otherwise, just what mahgister said.

sokogear,

Typos happen. It was from the beginning of the sentence. It was just a reminder not to be mean to people. In particular, when they are much more proficient in your language than you are in theirs. Your English grammar is lacking, too, and nobody is picking on it.

sokogear,

"people who buy Porsches for prestige typically don’t even know what PCA is. But every one in PCA is not a Porschephile. Just like every Audiogoner is not an asidiophile.

While you are in the correct grammar mode, could you start sentences with a capital letter and correct "asidiophile"?

"You're all a bunch of boring audiophiles :))"

That is very astute.

Yep, they did not buy many of them, but recently the prices of used ones apparently started going up. I think I read that they are at the level of what they were when new but I may be wrong. Being an initially small lot may add to the value despite no real advantage. I think that the main idea behind building them was for some legal requirements.

Which reminds me there is one of them that got Q-ed with a different engine. I think some 400 hp. Maybe less but still something monstruous. Seems like a very powerful bicycle.

https://jalopnik.com/the-aston-martin-cygnet-is-a-future-classic-1828355018

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a22713713/aston-martin-v8-cygnet-drive/

Such crazy details sometimes increase the appeal of things. Kind of like prices of Cygnet going up now and it becoming a desirable car. It is beyond me why. Europa have been a crappy car, but it was my Matchbox when I was very little so it could not be uncool. To make it worse, I was dreaming of seeing one last night. I should stop reading audiogon.

oldhvymec,

In your menagerie of musical instruments you surely may find a place for this one.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawhNj8D6UM

(at 2:48 minute)

Tom, of Tom and Jerry fame, played in the band with those instruments. Now, those were some cool cats.

This place seems to have so many believers in so many things that I am thinking about changing a career.

Should I start a club for devoted or selling The World's Best Sounding Tablecloth?

geoffkait,

Tell us more about your relationship with your parents.

Finally a post worth remembering.

Maybe they should have gone with manual.

Zeppelin does make really good (functional) transmissions although I do prefer manual. I have no idea how they work, though. Do not burn me at stake, please.

Now, speaking of Zeppelins, what really happened to Hindenburg?

No expensive cable, no Porsche. What a bum.

I do have a little blue Lotus Europa (Matchbox). I recently bought it. No kidding.

"That and at least one expensive cable."

I almost qualified.

"My fave wasn't a Porsche but a '69 Lotus Elan...mind blowing."

Can you rewrite it into Lotus Europa? It would raise the coolness level way past any Porsche aficionado.

Do true Porschephiles have Seat Ibiza (first generation) in their collections?

geoffkait,

Damn, and they are not even paying royalties to me.

By the way, I do qualify for an audiophile. See all those records stuck on the wall?