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Problem with bi amping speakers

I tried to biamp my PSB Stratus Golds tonight using a Dussun V6i 150 watt SS integrated amp for the woofers and a Nobis Contigore 40 watt tube amp for the mids/highs. The contigore is similar to a Dynaco ST70. I used the preamp out on the Dussun and ran one cable to the preamp in on the Dussun and the other cable to the Nobis. Took the jumpers off the speakers and connected both amps to the respective terminals using the 8 ohm output on the Nobis.

When I turned on the amps, they both worked well for about a minute. Then I heard what sounded like feedback from a guitar amp, then ok, then feedback again, then the Dussun amp tripped. the Nobis kept playing. The feedback sound lasted for about 2 seconds each time.

Took it back apart, and both the Dussun and Nobis work fine alone. So what about my connections would cause this problem. I use a 2 male phono to a single female phono. One male end goes in the preamp out on the Dussun, the other male goes in the preamp in on the dussun, and an interconnect goes into the female end of the connector. There is one of these for each channel.

So, what am I doing wrong?
manitunc
apachef1
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I went to the Dussun website to see the amp you have. I'm not sure I understand the "Y" phono connections you are using? The website had very good photos of the rear of your Dussun so I will ask you a few ?

I did see an "line out" on the back next to all the RCA inputs, Is this attenuated from the volume control or does it provide a constant signal say for a tape deck?

I'm not sure I really understand the use of the amp in preamp out RCA connections where I think you are using the "Y" phono connections?

Ed
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cerrot
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why not just go with preamp out of the Dussan to the tube amp's in puts?
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almarg
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Guys, the Dussun normally has a jumper connecting the rca output jack of its preamp section to the rca input jack of its power amp section, for each channel. What Manitunc has done is to replace that jumper with a y-adapter. That maintains the connection that is normally provided between those jacks by the jumper, while also allowing the inputs of the other amp to be connected to the preamp out signals. All of that is correct.

My guess, assuming that no shorts were introduced by any of the cables or connections, and despite the fact that the speaker supposedly can be biamped, is that the low frequency and mid/hi frequency parts of the crossover are not completely separate, and a path between the outputs of the two amps somehow exists through the speaker. Which is why I suggested the multimeter measurements in my earlier post.

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-- Al
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I'll give 8:3 Al is right.
apachef1
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Al

I seem to think with this type of connection Manitunc has made introduces the impedance of the tube amps input stage into Dussun loop through the Dussun preamp section. This would seem to be the source of the overload to the Dussun preamp stage.

Is this a recommended connection for the Dussun-"Y" cables?
What is the point of pre/power RCA jumper threw if you need to use the "Y" cable?

I would think the correct connection is to use a male to male jumper across the pre/power RCA's and connect the tube amp to the line out RCA's. My speculation is that this would allow the line out RCA connections to attenuate the tube amp he wants to connect to the mid/high section on the PSB

All the speaker connections are correct. Also his PSB speakers are bi-amp capable.

I did ask Manitunc about the line out RCA's being attenuated from the volume control or if they only feed a constant signal. I was waiting to hear back before I made this recommendation

No manual was a available from the website so all this is trouble shooting for him.

Ed
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