Tube rolling, Macintosh MC275 Mk IV


But first, I just got the following email from a friend with a new Mk IV (driving Vantages) who had just tried a few NOS 12AX and 12AT tubes I mailed him (he knows who he is ;--)
WOW, I was not prepared for what I was hearing, the first thing that came to my mind was"snap" the music came at me with an energy that was not there before. I soon realize that the music was a lot more dynamic. Meaning there was more treble energy yet still maintain a quality that was silky smooth. Yes there was more detail and nuances that was not previous heard. I wanted to go through my favorite recordings to hear what I have been missing. There is further separation between instruments with ample amounts of air that only enhances the listening experience. In other words I like it, I will listen more tonight and tell you about the improvements. I can see why tube rolling can be fun
I've done some extensive listening/rolling, and have included friends and neighbors in the project -- some with even better hearing than I. Here are my/our conclusions from tubes (including the stock tubes) actually auditioned so far. All twin triode tubes (AX's and AT's) had matched triodes. All pairs of tubes (AT's and KT88's) were matched as well:

12AX7
RCA -- 1957 smoothplate, blackplate, longplate (new, tested over 100%)
Amperex -- Orange Globe, made in Harleen Holland (tested 95%)
Telefunken -- Smoothplate, greyplate (tested 90%)
Mullard -- not included (yet)
12AT7
RCA -- 1957 ribbed, greyplate (new, tested over 100%)
Amperex -- not included (yet)
Telefunken -- ribbed, greyplate (new, tested over 100%)
Mullard -- tried, but not fully A-B'd
KT88
Penta Labs -- KT88SC, new matched quad, (tested over 100%)
GE UK -- NOS: GEC, Genalex, Gold Lion/Monarch (not yet, maybe one day soon if I'm lucky)

Tube groups were rotated in all possible (at this time) combinations, using the Diane Schure/Count Basie Orch. GRP-LP, Track: "Travelin' Light". (system link below.) It was fun. Tedious, but fun! There were some combos that were very close sonically, but the unanimous, winning configuration (after many, many "let me hear that agains") was:

12AX7: RCA -- 1957 smoothplate, blackplate, longplate
12AT7: Telefunken -- ribbed, greyplate
KT-88: Penta Labs -- KT88SC, solid plate, 3-getter

Better than a MC275 MKIV, with stock tubes, out of the box? You have absolutely NO IDEA !! If you want to give it a try, this will save you some time and money; at the very least, give you an excellent place to start ;--)
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gentlemen:

there is a question regarding the compatibility of other 12 volt tubes with the 275 circuit. i believe that a 12ay7 could substitute for a 12ax7. what about a 12au7, might that work in lieu of a 12at7 ?

is anyone willing to try a 12ay7 and/or 12au7 ??
i realize this is partially off topic, but i substituted a pair of 12ay7 for the 12ax7 in the c220 preamp. i also substituted a pair of 12au7 for the 12ax7 in the same preaamp. the preamp did not blow up and the tubes were not damaged. in fact i preferred the 12ay7 to the 12ax7.

By substituting the 12ay7 tube for the 12ax7 you are lowering the gain factor by approximately 50%. The 12au7 has a gain factor of approximately 80% less than the 12ax7 tube.

best regards
Another happy Mac owner (he has an MC2102):
Hi Neil, Just got back from Jamaica and my NOS from Marty were waiting for me. I just rolled in the Telefunkens 12ax7's and I want to tell you....wow. The improvement is unbeleivable in all parameters, especially with mid-quality recordings that were rather flat, (compressed?). They have opened up with much more detail and depth....quite a treat! I still have the RCA 12ax7's, Tele 12at7's, and 8 new Penta Labs kt88sc's to try out... expecting more great results. Thanks for steering me in the right direction, especially with Marty. Regards, John
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the gain differences i noticed in the preamp, were of minor consequence. what happens in the amp if i substitute 12ay7 anf/or 12at7 for the 12ax7, will the changes in gain be of more concern than those accruing from the same substitution in the preamp ?

thanks