subwoofer for music?


Hi all

My Speakers are the neat ultimatum mf5 which claims to have specs of

MF5 response @ +/-3dB is 28Hz - 40kHz. The typical - 6dB point in the bass is 22Hz. (from BOB of neat)

Can a 6.5" driver get that low?? Proacs and PMC also have specs that go that low! While speakers with drivers of 12" only gets to 30+hz usually...not sure why

I dont feel a lack of bass from the speakers, but having a sub that can fulfil both role of music/movies and help my system to get down to 20hz will be awesome! (will set the crossover at 35hz or less)

However i will have a subwoofer regardless because i will use it for theater, and the pv1d just does not cut it for movies. So therefore im looking for a sub to be used for music and movies with budget as low as possible.

Will 2 subs help stereo imaging? I would much prefer a single sub for convenience .
Room is 8m(6m usable) x4m. So after reading some info, here are some choices that is within my budget (but i would prefer to spend as little as possible)

-jl audio f113

-twin velodyne spl 1000 ultra

-jl audio f112

-bower wilkin db1

-velodyne dd15 (not plus version)

-twin jl audio f110

-mk 350 mk2

-rel r528

I heard about SVS and KK and paradigm subs, but they are a pain to get in my country

Any help will be appreciated. Thanks all :)
nieveulv

01-03-14: Kr4
"You can't make a categorical statement based on driver diameter. Stiffness and weight of the cone plus driver excursion (how much air does it displace?), and cabinet volume are all part of the equation. Fed enough power, my Mirages can make deep, loud bass."

Here's a categorical statement: If all of those other parameters are equally optimized, the larger driver is capable of producing lower, louder bass. The dual 7" drivers in my Paradigms come no where close to matching what I get from the dual 10" drivers in my B&Ws, with or without adding subs.

Of course that's true, "all else being equal," but no such premises were part of the original statement. More radiating area is its own reward; it's why I have Maggies. Still, the other factors I mentioned are significant and can tip the scales one way or another. The deep bass that comes from a JL F112 is only partly because of its 12" diameter. It's also because of its extreme excursion capabilities, driver stiffness, magnet strength, and the high power in the built-in amp.

BTW, the Neat Ultimatum MF5 has at least *three* 6.5" drivers per tower, which totals nearly the same radiating surface as a 12" driver. Properly tuned to a large enough cabinet, this can account for the Neat's excursion down into the 20s. My Mirages do that too, but most 6.5"-based towers don't.
Johnnyb53, you are talking about specific examples, as I did, and not about the general statement. All those variables do apply but each one can be discussed in terms of its contribution.

Designers choose different drivers based on excursion, stiffness, magnets, mass, etc. and depending on the application. When it comes to woofers, larger is not always better but, unless the implementation is incompetent, larger will be capable of louder, deeper and/or more efficient output.
thanks all for the information, it was soo useful. With my budget, i reckon i should get 1 12" instead of 2 10". So ii can buy another 12" as an upgrade instead of changing 2 subs at one :D

Btw the neat mf5s have 2 6.5" drivers in isobaric and not 3. The mf7s are the one with 4 6.5" drivers :)

The neats do go low!!
Neat's own product description says:
The visible main drive unit handles bass and midrange and is isobarically loaded by similar drive units located inside the cabinet.
So if there are isobarically loaded drive units (plural) inside the cabinet, I figure
there must be at least two 6.5" drivers inside the cabinet plus the visible one mounted on the front baffle, for three total. I'm figuring it might be similar to this.

You're probably right to go with a 12", because your towers go so low to start with. You might even consider the Fathom F113 for a deeper and fuller reach.
Why is SVS a pain in your country? SVS only does mail order! What country are you from?