Stick a fork in Dylan, he's done.


Well maybe not as quite as Burton Cummings(LOL), but you have to admit his voice is gone along with subject matter. I'm sure he does. However I think he has produced a couple of top notch compositions of late. I'm a serious fan but his latest leaves something to be desired imo. I'm interested to know which couple of albums you think were his best of all. Mine are "Oh Mercy" and "Under The Red Sky". I'm impressed that imo, he peaked out that late in his career.
csontos
You're clearly at the other extreme. I believe a forum is a means of discussion rather than a fan club. You seem to be confused as to whether my statement is an opinion or a declaration. I suppose a little of both based on observation of this thread. Bottom line is Dylan fans are typically diehards as I am. You either love him or you hate him right from when he came on the scene. I'm getting old and he's not God or a god so shouldn't he? Shouldn't you? Life only sucks at the beginning and at the end.
Csontos....I think you are wrong and I find your stance strange especially when you state you are really not all that up on the whole Dylan back catalogue...UTRS is a very very strange choice of Dylan album from either diehard or casual fan.

I actually think Dylan's latter output from TOOM onwards has been overrated by the critics -I think because of his health scare back at the release of TOOM and the fact that they eventually woke up to Dylan's actual worth they've been in a rush to overstate the quality of later albums.

The new one is imho his best record in a decade-it's not perfect you'd be stretching things to say it's up there with his classics but it it has an inherent quality you shouldn't really expect from a man of his age I don't think any of his peers have came close to his overall output..........

Here's something I posted on another site for Dylan's 70 birthday.....

Why is Bob Dylan important? Where is the line where an icon, a superstar and a legend becomes a cliche, overrated and a myth? Well maybe to answer those questions you have to enter into the world where appreciation veers into obsession. Yes I have to confess I am a recovering Dylanologist and like an alcoholic you’re never really cured. Yes I’ve seen the man live countless times, I’ve had the fanzine subscriptions, I’ve read over 60 books on Dylan and I suppose I’ve listened to him more than any other artist. As I once remarked to a fellow Scottish Dylan fan both lost in the hell of a massive London Dylan gig that I simply had to give those habits up, he took that to mean the expense..no I simply thought about Bob Dylan too much and too often.
Still I was 24 before I listened to Dylan, 10 years after I started listening to music seriously and if he was out of context for me then in 1988, what chance have young emerging fans today? Over 500 songs and 56 albums to date, where do you start? There’s maybe four main hurdles you need to get over with Dylan, Firstly his status, like The Beatles he evokes a natural combination of resentment at the critical acclaim and of course the fact that in the main his impact is historical. Secondly his voice, I’m told people don’t like it much and often prefer others singing his songs. Thirdly that his words are his forte and come supplemented by second rate music. Finally the over familiarity with a handful of songs and the fact he is a shell of that kinetic wonder kid of the sixties.
Some of these hurdles arguably can’t be cleared, his live act is clearly declining and you simply cannot talk people into liking what they naturally resist. However those were the hurdles I faced before I really started listening to Dylan and the key is listening to Dylan. The effect of listening to Dylan a lot is that voice makes more sense, he was never a “great” singer but he has and is an unique voice, a voice more versatile than he is given credit for but also one that retained an essence and that essence is truth; naked, cracked, funny, angry, warm, broken, lost, redeemed, -there’s not many emotions Dylan’s not covered. There’s fewer artists who’ve marked the terrain of a life as effectively and convincingly as he has. Indeed in that context of his work it’s probably no surprise that Dylan (successful as he is) is the least commercially successful and viable of those considered the greatest recording artists alive.
The hurdle of Dylan as wordsmith before musician is one that has been compounded by the seriousness his work is held in by academics and critics alike. It’s not that in some aspects that his work cannot sustain this but it misses the key point. Dylan is a songwriter not a poet and the true magic appears in the aural form not the written one. Indeed Dylan realises more than most a great lyric will never save a bad tune...that’s probably why the worst of his writing fails on both fronts. Dylan has lost his audience several times over but strangely despite that fact he has created at least an album every decade that is held up close to his 60’s masterpieces...he also has a handful of records that eclipse the banality and poverty of his peer’s worst efforts...in similar fashion he is as uneven a live performer as you will see. He’s human and his music reflects that.That’s why at 70 maybe his life’s work looks more autobiographical and complete than any other artist.
The best observation about the barriers in listening to Dylan came from the man himself..”I am a mystery only to those who haven’t felt the same things I have”. Beyond that his legacy and impact on popular music transcends definition. He simply redefined what a song could be, he took the essence of several traditions and fused them together creating a new form. He quickly realised the limitations of protest and side stepped them by making the politics personal and used the raw energy of rock and roll to create cultural vandalism during his ’66 world tour..an act NME described 20 years ago as the first signs of punk. He then retreated to a more plaintive world and helped create Americana/Folk Rock when the music world was heading towards studio indulgence and psychedelia. Surprisingly for an artist who has made so many varied albums and indeed sometimes incredibly poor albums Dylan has almost never overstretched himself musically. He remained true to his core roots of rock and roll, folk, country and blues.
If you really listen to Dylan as well as the treasure lode of magnificent albums and the remarkable depth and volume of performances and songs you end up in a more profound place. It’s a place that suggests that the blank piece of paper and silence can be replaced by a magic that encapsulates human existence and imagination through song. He suggests that music has no barriers and no rules and understands fully the attempts to explain that are futile . That’s why I took the essence of what Dylan was about and broadened my musical tastes into different areas and in the process drifted away from the more obsessive nature of being a Dylan fan. Why is Bob Dylan important? Simply because music is important.......listen to him but be careful once that door opens it’s a long way to the other side.