Computer audio vs outboard DAC for Windows 11


I've put this off for as long as I can get away with, but it's time to get a new computer to run Windows 11, as our present Windows 10 desktop is too old to upgrade. It was built by a local computer shop back in 2016 and it has been a reliable companion for the decade we've owned it. 

The online research that I've been doing over the last week or so has only served to pull me deeper into the rabbit-hole with regard to computer audio, as this new machine will be used for, among other things, audio editing and critical listening. There might even be some video processing, too. 

Reading various reviews and watching YouTube vids on the subject, I simply can't decide if modern motherboards and processors can output the quality of sound I'd be satisfied with, or if a new sound card or outboard DAC would offer significant improvement. For example (staying within a reasonable price range) would a unit like the FiiOs K11 R2R DAC or iFi's Zen DAC3 offer enough of a boost in sound quality to justify their price? I'm actually less interested in their headphone functions, as I'm not a gamer and prefer to listen through speakers. 

My present computer audio system consists of a Rotel A12 integrated, connected to the computer via optical cable (the Rotel has a built-in DAC), and a pair of Focal Aria 906 bookshelf speakers. Computer sound card is a Creative Sound Blaster Z. I'm pretty happy with the sound I'm getting, but hope that a newer computer will improve it even more.

If any of you have also been on this journey, I'd be very interested to read your opinions and experiences. 

cooper52

I don't have a clue how good the internal DAC in your Rotel A12 is, but I started my journey with a MacBook Air, an entry-level budget DAC, a preamp, an amp, and a pair of speakers. Today, I've moved on to dedicated streamers and mid-tier DACs. I can tell you the difference in every aspect of sound quality is night and day.

If you plan to stick with computer audio as described, do yourself a favor and invest in two things. First, get a good-quality DDC that provides excellent electrical isolation on its input ports and effectively attenuates jitter from computer streaming or local music playback. Second, invest in a good DAC.

I've tried both of the DACs you mentioned. Compared with older delta-sigma DACs, modern R-2R DACs such as the FiiO K11—and especially the more refined K13—offer noticeably better soundstage and transparency. However, I found their softer low-end response and lack of dynamics to hold them back overall.

Instead, I'd suggest investing in a higher-quality DAC in the $1,000 range, such as the LAiV μDAC or the Holo Audio Cyan 2. If I were you, I'd stay with an R-2R DAC.

For a DDC, I'd look for a used Denafrips Iris or a Singxer SU-6. Both are excellent choices that won't break the bank.

Lastly, for the computer itself, I'd recommend a fanless MacBook. Stay away from computers or laptops with cooling fans, as they can generate significant electrical noise internally and produce audible fan noise that can be distracting during listening sessions.  Honestly, with a fanless MacBook (if you don't already have one) and a quality DDC, you might as well invest in a dedicated streamer like the Rivo Plus or a used Innuos Zen Mk3 instead. The total investment would be about the same, but you'll end up with a cleaner, more purpose-built digital front end and a better overall listening experience.

Should have mentioned: this isn't my principal music system. That's in another room and (I flatter myself) another league. Just want to optimize  the sound for those tasks we use the computer for.

I have been through the journey. Multiple stages over the last couple decades. My computer system now consists of a Totem mite speakers and subwoofer, PrimaLuna integrated, and a Bluesound Node Streamer. I control the system with my computer... but there is no connection.I recommend you go through a similar route. Having a computer involved  at all increases the noise floor and reduces the dynamics. I not have a MacStudio... so no moving parts... no room noise from fans. After years with Windows towers, PC laptops, MacBooks. I’d just best to get the computer out of the say. you can control the streamer through your PC... or phone, or pad. You can find Bluesound streamers for only $300, up through $1K. There are other options of course... but this is rock solid, great sounding. You can experiment and see if you prefer the Rotel DAC or the Bluesound, and the connection type once you get one. 

Should have mentioned: this isn't my principal music system. That's in another room and (I flatter myself) another league. Just want to optimize  the sound for those tasks we use the computer for.

That is why I did not introduce budget gear in the $0.3k range to you. A computer is a powerful (in terms of computing capability) and convenient music playback tool, but you just need to transform it, reduce the noise, and bring it up to an audiophile level that you can appreciate and enjoy.