KAB RF1 Sobsonic Ruble Filter - Worked but feels like I lost some sound quality


My system: 

Technics 1200G with Orofon black LVM

Luxman 595 MM/MC integrated 

REL 830

Sopra N1s

 

I bought the KAB RF1 Rumble filter for MM. I did it because I have woofer excursion really bad in my set up with my Turntable... and not to derail this post into things I tried let’s just leave it as I tried everyhing.  

The Subsonic filter on my Luxman helps alot but it does not get rid of all the woofer excursion... there is still some... especially in electronic music. 

So I tried the KAB RF1. It did not get rid of the woofer excursion by itself. But when used with the Luxman subsonic filter, it did successfully get rid of all the woofer excursion with the turntable playing. I was quite suprised. But here is the downside.... I felt that I lost some of the holographic sound stage in my sound. Enough to bother me. Anyone else have exeperinece with KAB RF1 filter? 

https://www.thecableco.com/rf1-subsonic-rumble-filter.html?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=10024381600&gbraid=0AAAAADmuR9dGQ54YEDtMg9w1EumnwYIkN&gclid=CjwKCAjw6f3RBhApEiwAMaCqWVuhNEupwaT8BJNb0c6m9vbdX2w2MIY2z9wGqCvUrQA9ZYWzME69LhoC2p0QAvD_BwE

EDIT: Sorry for the missspelling in the title. I can’t edit it.  

dman777

@fiesta75 Ten will get you a dozen your hearing isn't good enough to hear 20 Hz.  You are talking nonsense.  If you knew anything about filters you would know that the KAB filter is one of the best available.  What is needed in this situation is a clear picture of the root cause of the problem.  

Bill - I don't agree with you. The slope on the KAB is only 12dB/octave. I've been building crossovers for 55 years.

fiesta, You wrote, "The KAB filter you have has a -3dB point of 20Hz.!!! Of course, using that filter will remove a lot of the music and dynamics. Get a GOOD subsonic filter. You want something like -3dB at 8Hz. or lower. With a slope of 24dB/octave or greater. Digital filters of 48dB/octave or greater are available nowadays."

I have to disagree with you at least in the statement that a -3db point at 20 Hz will remove "a lot of music and dynamics".  First of all, very few systems produce 20Hz in the first place and when they are capable of producing 20Hz, the signal is already at least -3db down using 1kHz as the zero db reference. Second, do you know the slope of the KAB filter? I do not, but if it cuts in at 20Hz, the slope has to be very steep to do any good in removing subsonic frequencies.  (For you to say it is -3db down at 20Hz tells us only that 20Hz is the inflection point of the filter; it does not tell us the slope.) And since many testify to its effectiveness, I would guess it must have a slope in the range of 18 to 24db, at least. And no filter comes with a free lunch, including digital ones.

I still think the problem here (loss of SQ at upper frequencies) is using a filter into a filter.

Yeah the problem is using a filter with a filter. It gets some really strange results. I tried again to use the KAB by itself but I can see the cone moving frantically, although in tiny movements.