Where do classical vinyl records get their rumble from?


Recently converted back to vinyl from silver disks, I am struck by how much rumble seems to be inherent in the new and used vinyl I am buying.

A case in point, is a recent Deutsche Grammophon (DG) recording (487 7484) of Mahler’s Second Symphony made at a live performance at the Sydney Opera House (I was there).  The first set I bought was amongst the dirtiest pressings I have ever had, but the second set was much improved.  However, there is a persistent rumble whether played on my Holbo Mk2 air bearing system or my venerable Garrard 301 (new bearing from Classic Turntable Company).

Mahler typically has huge dynamic range, from muted off-stage performers to hundreds of musicians going hell-for-leather.

The rumble could be partly caused by the venue’s air conditioning system, but I hear similar background on a Telarc recording (Stereo 10051) of Saint Saens Organ Symphony made in Philadelphia.  Telarc even arranged to have local roads shut down for the recording sessions.

Similar efforts were made by DG when recording the organ at Notre Dame in Paris, where recording was done late at night to reduce traffic noise.  My copy includes Dolby Atmos on Pure-Audio Bly-ray (DG 486 1466).

I was beginning to think the rumble was inherent in my tables, but then I played a German Direct Metal Mastered (DMM) set from In-Akustik for Clearaudio’s 40th anniversary (INAK 78051 2LP).  It includes some Telarc tracks.  This set has the quietest background I’ve never heard.  There is virtually no rumble, exonerating my tables.

So apart from the recoding venue’s air conditioning and traffic noise, why do so many classical records seem to have built-in rumble?  Could it be from the mastering lathe?

I am really only thinking about classical recordings where the dynamic range approximates the signal to noise ratio of vinyl, meaning that very low-level signals are musically important, while simultaneously bumping against the noise floor.

richardbrand

@stievus

If these recordings give you rumble as you describe, then it must be your deck. (My humble opinion...) I am still using a Pink Triangle Export Gti

I have a number of exceptionally quiet records, some listed above, which in my opinion exonerates my decks.

I have thought about it some more, and two of the records I mentioned as noisy were not recorded in purpose-built studios. For one recording, local streets were shut down to reduce traffic noise, but obviously there is a limit to restricting noise in a big city.  Another contributor mentioned hearing London tube trains on records.

Big cities are inherently noisy, though usually quieter at night.  I was camped south of Sydney, and in the middle of the night became aware of very faint, periodic subterranean rumblings, each lasting about a minute.  Turned out it was the sound of underground coal mining machines, being transmitted through kilometers of solid rock.  The machines are so-called "continuous miners" but they stop to unload when they have chewed about 100-tons, in order to unload.  Hence the minute duration!

That and the London underground got me thinking about the Sydney Opera House where the live recording of Mahler 2 was made.  It has to contend with trains and traffic on the Harbour Bridge, plus constant ferry movements, the occasional cruise liner being moored, a double-helix underground carpark, freeways, helicopters, etc.

Around the time the recording was made, massive Tunnel Boring Machines were boring under the harbour.  Against this backdrop, the venue is amazingly quiet but to very sensitive microphone?

By the way, the Achromat platter mats I use are directly descended from Pink Triangle which is one of the reasons I got them!

@kennyc 

Obviously value depends on the exchange rate.  Two Holbos could be very cost-effective for alternate cartridges, unless you need removable head-shells!

Just a thought ...

I think that @ghdprentice and others have nailed it.  It’s your tables, nothing inherent to Classical Music 

@mahler123

I think that @ghdprentice and others have nailed it.  It’s your tables, nothing inherent to Classical Music 

Those contributors here who think that the problem is with my tables have probably never heard the effects I am describing.

There is a plausible explanation for this:  their systems, including tables, are simply not resolving enough to hear what I report.  Alternatively, the noise floor of their listening environments could be so high that it masks the effects.

I am astounded that you ignore the special demands of classical music.  I am talking about large scale works recorded in a real acoustic, not close-miked, electronically mixed, studio recordings.

I asked ChatGPT if Deutsche Grammophon was having problems filling orders

While Deutsche Grammophon does not appear to be struggling with severe, widespread order fulfillment delays, customers have reported several recurring logistical and manufacturing issues when ordering vinyl directly. [1]

Primary Customer Concerns

  • Customer Service & Fulfillment Bottlenecks: Buyers have reported slow response times from Deutsche Grammophon's customer support. Many suspect the label uses third-party fulfillment centers, leading to unresponsiveness and some isolated inventory mix-ups (e.g., missing or duplicated discs in multi-LP sets). [1, 2]
  • Quality Control & Pressing Defects: Particularly with the premium The Original Source audiophile series, collectors have reported a higher-than-expected rate of factory defects. Common issues include vinyl shavings, surface scratches causing repetitive clicks, and occasionally warped records. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

If the problem was my tables, it would affect all records, not just some.

I have many original DG pressings of classical music that I purchased new in the 70s and 80s.  In those days DG was thought of as a quality company but there were characteristics of their work that I found wanting. Namely, they often tended to be shrill and glazed over especially on crescendos.  One bought their LPs regardless, mainly because of the high level musicianship and worldwide reputations of the orchestras they recorded. I don't recall a noise I could characterize as "rumble", but in those days my equipment probably couldn't reproduce what RB is describing. I have not auditioned my DG LPs in a decade or more. I will break some out and have a listen.