First foray into tube amps


I just read the thread on McIntosh and it has prompted me to start this thread.  I would like to try a tube power amp, but I have no experience with tubes.  For now, at least, I am pretty well settled on the rest of my system: Stirling LS3/6 speakers with dual SVS 3000 micro subs, Node 130 streamer with PD Creative/LHY power and English Eight switch, Bacch4Mac crosstalk elimination and DSP, RME Fireface dac/interconnect.  I’ll be replacing a Peachtree Gan1.  The room is 23x16x8 and is well treated.  I listen at low to moderate volumes, lots of vocals, blues, Argentine Tango, some classic rock.  I love that BBC mid-range magic, and think I want a little more warmth than I have now - but without giving up any precision or detail.  I find very analytical high end reproduction to be unpleasant, though.  On the low end, I dislike mushiness.  I really like bass details without slam - think of Holly Cole’s Train Song listening to those bass transients tail off.

So, I think that some tube amps might fit the bill and are within budget (say $5,000).  Here is my provisional short list: McIntosh MC275 MK6, Conrad Johnson MV60SE, Quicksilver Mid-Monos or 88 Monos, PrimaLuna Evo 300 or 400.  There are many others, and I’d welcome suggestions. I can’t tell if these or some other amp would likely have better synergy with my speakers/room/music preferences.  I realize that I may need to try several amps to find which one sounds best to me - but where to start?  Many thanks.

treepmeyer

I am in full agreement that looking at HE Speaker designs will vastly increase the options available for power amp selection. I introduced HE Speakers to my system more than one year ago, and it was this experience, combined with other experiences over the previous few years, that led to my profound change of mind towards long-term used ESL Speakers. ESL speakers have been used in the home system since the 90's, and during the Christmas Holiday of 2025/26 were dethroned and put into storage. 

I now have two cabinet speaker designs that are selected for regular usage. One is a HE design, which is not overly complicated as a design, and another is much more complex as a design model.

The low-watt 300B works wonders with the HE Speakers, as do the 845's.

The 845s create jaw-dropping end sound with the more complex speaker design, and the 300B is under interrogation over the past few days to learn whether there is a reason to use these with the complex speaker design?

HE Speakers are built with a design that does not suit all who are intending on using a cabinet speaker, or even deciding on an OB design. HE models with attractive High Efficiency for a Cabinet or OB design are typically large in their dimensions. I'm not suggesting unattractive, but noticeable for their presence in a space.

As for myself, I have two Speakers competing for the prime real estate in the main listening room, which involves Speaker Logistics and resetting up the Speakers to ensure the alignments are accurate. My solution now is to run two systems, one for my Wife in a place she frequents using the HE Speaker and keeping the other speakers permanently set up.

The conundrum remains of how to keep a selection of Power Amp's - Powered On. My solution is to be satellite speakers to create the load. these can easily be masked from view and easily managed when swapping out Amp's to be connected to the main speakers.

The use of satellite speakers will reduce the Amp swaps to minutes as an interval between them. The swapping HE speaker and other design was easily a 30 minure exercise and precarious as a task. Two being involved was the most sensible method for handling the exchanges.

Just Saying - Good Experiences can have their idiosyncrasies blatantly exposed, until improved options become discovered? Improved options for one are for another their worst nightmare. 

"You could ask that question to any number of posters here."

@faustuss ,

Ain't that the truth!

Wonder why he deleted his post. It was positive and informative. It was in Polish, but still...

On high efficiency speakers, Klipsch Forte IV are 99dB but I haven't heard them.  On the other hand, at Axpona, two years running I heard and was impressed with Open Audio Project Duet 15 open baffle speakers.  The are 96dB.  I could be tempted.

I think you are referring to the open baffle speakers of PureAudioProject.  I like those speakers too.  They are available with alternative choices for the midrange/high frequency driver.  At 96 db/w they could be used with some low-powered single ended triode (SET) amps, with some limitation on playing at extremely high volume levels.  Still, if they create an opportunity to use 300B SET amps, that would be more avenues to explore. 

I am a big fan of many high efficiency speakers because they tend to sound more lively and open sounding.  These include horn-based systems and systems using full range drivers in either single driver full range systems or as a wide range driver in multi-way systems.  For single driver systems, I particularly like those of Charney Audio.  At somewhat higher price points I like the single driver and two-way systems of Songer Audio (field coil full range driver).

Klipsch Forte IV's are not my favorite horn systems (a bit too rough and they have a peaky midrange), but they are very lively and fun sounding speakers and I recommend them at their price point.  They sort of require decent tube amps to tame their harshness and most people never hear them at their best because they are not normally matched to very good tube amps.

@tuberist Thomas Tan at Galion is sending me a TS120se demo unit to try out in my home.  I'm impressed.  I didn't even ask, he just volunteered.

@larryi Yes, that's Pure Audio Project.  Wonderful sound and at 96dB they would open up other amp options.  I'll check out Charney Audio.