Do You Ever Get Glare/Raspy Sound on High Pitched Female Vocal Lines?


I sometimes get a harsh glare or slightly raspy sound on female vocal lines when they sing loud, high pitched notes.  It’s hard to explain the sound exactly, but if you’ve ever experienced it, you’ll know what I’m speaking of.  Two examples are Norah Jones, Don’t Know Why at 1:57 with line  “You’ll be ON my mind”.   The other is Michael Bluble’s Quando, Quando, Quando featuring Nelly Furtardo.  Her line “I can’t wait a moment more, Tell me quando, quando, quando” at 1:53 is another good example.  This happens at moderate to fairly loud volume levels. 

Trying to determine if it’s coming from the midrange section or quasi ribbon tweeter, I’ve disconnected the speaker jumpers from one while keeping the other jumped and found it occurs in both the midrange and the tweeters.  I’ve also swapped out two other DACs and have bypassed the preamp by going directly to the amp from the DACS, but it makes no difference.  It doesn’t sound like clipping distortion or typical speaker breakup.  I’ve even inserted 1 ohm resistors on the Magnepans  and while it reduces it a bit, it’s still there.  I can also hear it to a somewhat lesser degree on my old Theil 1.5s and KEF KS50s at fairly loud, but not crazy volume levels.  Both of those speakers are driven with 400 watt @ 4 Ohms and a 300 watt @ 4 Ohms amps respectively.  I can’t imagine that I’m clipping the amps.

Does anyone else have this occur on their systems?  Any ideas on what’s going on here?

My system is Magnepan 3.7x speakers, PS Audio Airlens, Stellar Gold DAC, PMG Signature preamp & BHK 250 amp, streaming Tidal. 

stevehardy1

Do you have a dac with some peq (rme, whatever)...start with some low q dips in the 2 to 8k region. Refine with higher q, center point, etc.

It will usually fix it. If you're a non peq purist guy....well, you could try some other things.

Lil issues with gain staging, etc can pop up as glare. Do you have a streamer dac pre power amp all in one box like a...Yamaha R-N2000A or something? Hook it up. If it went away, the factory turn key tuning of it all was the right fit for you. (Mix and match great chef in the kitchen, you were not).

Assuming you have some competent treatments and setup, last resort, start modding the speaker crossover or go active crossover...or sell the speaker and move on.

 

Norahs 'Youll be on my mind' is on Youtube.
I use yt-dlp function in Linux to download audio in mp3 format from YouTube videos. 
The documentation for yt-dlp is here:
   https://www.ditig.com/yt-dlp-cheat-sheet#google_vignette
   https://man.archlinux.org/man/extra/yt-dlp/yt-dlp.1.en
   https://roundproxies.com/blog/yt-dlp/

The command I typed into Fedora is....
$ yt-dlp -x --audio-format mp3 --audio-quality 0 \
            "https://youtu.be/tO4dxvguQDk?si=gax48Dp_ZywM2NVy"

I took a look at the mp3 file using Audacity.  The recording is saturated at 1:57 with a high pitched tone of her voice.   When I played it on my two-way aluminum dome tweeter speakers I didn't hear any artifacts.   Sometime I do hear artifacts with these speakers but not this time.  

The recording on YouTube is not the same as what is for sale on a CD. However the recording is saturated at several times.  

thanks

Ron

I’ve been fighting this battle for a while now. Last year, I posted this on WhatsBestForum: "On the track "Like Someone in Love" on Diana Krall’s Turn Up the Quiet, there’s the line "Each time I look at you I’m limp as a glove," with the word "Each" hitting at about 2:45 into the song (it also appears earlier). I’m listening via digital, both on Tidal and to a locally-stored file. 
The word "Each" sounds harsh and too hot on my system. I initially tried tweaking my speaker positions, but then started doing things like changing DAC filters, switching from network to USB to AES, and changing cables. I can ameliorate it by cutting 3dB at around 2800Hz with a Q of 3 using Roon’s parametric EQ, but I really don’t want to, and I like the sound in nearly all other situations without any EQ." BTW, I also experience similar narrow-frequency harshness from my vinyl side.

My system is Pachanko Labs Constellation Mini SE server/player with Stellar external linear power supply into dCS Lina Network DAC or Clearaudio Performance DC AiR table with Tracer arm and Hana ML cart into Modwright PH9.0 XT phono preamp. Amplification is Dan D’Agostino Progression Integrated, and speakers are Von Schweikert Endeavor SEs (Model.ONE). Speaker cables are MasterBuilt Ref.2 and interconnects are Hapa Audio. LAN cables are M101 Novas, and I have a PS Audio regenerator.

After a year or so, I’ve determined that the harshness is primarily driven by my 18’ x 18’ square room and a complex early reflection problem that’s tough to mitigate due to decor and the happy wife = happy life syndrome. Another issue is that my ears are now 73 years old.  Just as tinnitus tends to manifest itself by our brains simulating frequencies our ears can no longer detect, we can develop hypersensitivity to certain frequencies as we age. 

I’m no longer chasing perfection in audio reproduction; I’m chasing satisfaction. That means that rather than having a particular recording drive me crazy, I’m focusing on the thousands of others that still bring me great joy.

 

@zuman 

Just for fun I just listened to that recording of Dianna Krall (Quboz) . I did not find it harsh or digital at all. I think it is the equipment. Mine is musical / natural oriented. I had a Lina in my system for a while and it is much more on the polite, European flavored.  So, on that kind of note, it is not as forgiving.