Does anyone have a digital system that is as involving as their analogue front end?


I have a good analogue front end. Not stratuspherically good but good enough for this comparison. VPI Prime Signature 21 turntable, Pass Labs XP-25 pono preamp, Pass Labs XP-30 preamp and Hovland Radia amp. It has a lovely, very involving sound. On the right recording, I just drop everythng and am drawn in to listen.

My streamer, on the other hand, is decent but not spectacular. It is better than my CD player, but it is not jaw-dropping like my analogue front-end. My question is this: does anyone have a high-end, tier-one streamer (dCS Bartok Apex, Lumin X2, or something like them) that can rival a good analogue system?

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I happen to use a dcs Bartok and I think I have a capable digital setup. My vinyl rig is a Reed Muse 3(c) with a My Sonic Labs Eminent cartridge, so I think this is capable as well, but not in the range of the ultra DAC stacks or six figure turntables.

To my ears, a well mastered, clean vinyl outperforms digital streams-I use Qobuz and Tidal-don't have a CD transport. Just yesterday, I listened to an original pressing of Rumours and then the Qobuz version-to me, the vinyl sounds better. Not scientific-you get different pressings, not a blind test, etc., but I've done this enough to know that I prefer vinyl IF (a big if) its a clean, well mastered copy. The music is a little more real and tangible to my ears.

That's not to say that I find streaming bad-the difference is subtle. I probably am around 50/50 between streaming and vinyl because of the incredible convenience and endless variety available with streaming. The gap closes quickly at the end of an album side when I have to get out of my chair to change the record.

This is one of those debates incapable of resolution because every system, every room, and most of all every set of ears are different-strictly personal opinion. The only view that I reject is the one that articulates someone's subjective preference as a universal, objective fact, applicable to all.

@OP - Yes - Wadax Studio Payer and Esoteric Grandioso CD - both as good or better than high end analogue - Clearaudio Jubilee Reference/Unity/VdH Crimson XGW/Luxman E-07.

My question is basically who has heard a really good streamer and a really good turntable and phono preamp and compared them head to head. Is there a streamer out there that can compare to analogue at its best?

Play the right album, though, and it is hard to imagine a digital front end with the air and separation an analogue rig (a good analogue rig) gives you. I was hoping somebody had a really good analogue rig and digital rig and could compare from their own experience.

Having above average analog and digital sources in my primary system, I have done this comparison and found that yes - they can be equally satisfying - but also sonically so close (when the recording is the same provenance) that many would struggle to sort out which is which but for the slight surface noise of the analog source (which on clean vinyl is remarkably quiet). My digital rig leaves nothing on the table in regard to the desirable musical attributes. I do have to point out a significant caveat for perspective: the MSRP of my digital rig when including DAC, streamer (currently under audition) and cables is about 50% more expensive than the analog rig.  

Also for perspective: I would say I have two potential weak links in my analog rig - my phono stage is good but could be better. Same for my cartridge. The table and arm, while not SOTA, are not limiting in my setup. Regardless, I would have to spend considerable $$$ to materially upgrade any part of my analog chain. Given my already too high investment here, that’s not likely. So, one might argue that digital still may not be as good as well done analog, but I’m skeptical of that argument.

In my view, there has been a beneficial convergence between the two. Both analog and digital have come a long way in even the past couple of years. While I’ve heard astronomically expensive rigs (both analog and digital) at stores and shows that have left me wanting, it’s a good time to be a music lover who’s also an audiophile as there is even moderately priced gear that is sounding quite good these days.  

To my ears, a well mastered, clean vinyl outperforms digital streams
 

I agree with this. The most important factor is the mastering. What Qobuz and Tidal have available for you to stream is mostly digital remasters. Even high resolution 24/192 of some jazz classics is remastered bit padded stuff. Compared to original mint vinyl or new AAA vinyl done by someone like Kevin Gray or Bernie Grundman or Scott Hull the streaming version will mot be as good. 
From technical standpoint good digital components lack nothing in their ability to reproduce the recording as accurately as possible. 
So the approach I take is try to get the best possible version of a recording I like. If it happens to be on streaming, then that’s what it is. If I look for some of jazz classics or classical music or classic rock, I’ll hunt down the full analog version. 

My TT is a Well Tempered Verselex with a Shelter 501mk3 cart and a Line Magnetic LP-33...  this sounded very nice to my ear, but I got digitally curious and tried out a Bluesound Node.  Sure enough digital (Qobuz) was cool and convenient, but the SQ wasn't very close to the analog side.  I went down the rabbit  hole on digital and ended up with a Lumin X1...  The X1 put my TT to bed for the last year+ based on musicality and transparency...  delightful, very analog sounding product and very engaging.  

I recently got a bug to get the vinyl side back in the game.  With some help from Chat I decided to start with a phono stage change.  A few weeks ago I acquired a Sutherland 20/20 (from a member) and have been integrating it into my system with setup and cabling changes.  I've just gotten back to the point where the vinyl is on par with the X1 and both are very engaging...  vinyl is maybe a little more lively sounding, but it's very subtle.

Now of course there's the X2...  and the game (obsession) continues.  There's always a path to better SQ and you can definitely get digital to sound as engaging as vinyl.  What happens when you get there is up to you.

Frank