My Asia comment aside, I would take a serious look and listen to the powered ATC line...perhaps the 100. The lows are deep and tight, and the mids are legendary.
Burn it Down and Start Over
Hello All,
My remodel of my entire house should (operative word, should) be complete in a few months. I am so blessed to have the opportunity to build a new two-channel system from scratch.
I have some existing components from my old system that I will sell off or set aside as I get new ones. (Krell K300i, T+A DAC200, Innuos Zen Mini Mk3, etc.)
While "where to start" is a circular argument in my experience as it is a complex system and synergy is everything. So, I'm going to start with speakers, then amp, preamp, source, then room, and lastly cables and tweaks.
Let me interject a bit about the new room as it is important. My listening room will be my living room. I've had to make some accommodations to appease the architect and my wonderful wife's aesthetics, which I also agree with.
The room is about 40' x 40' x 9.5'. There is no true front wall, but rather an island fireplace beside which my speakers will be placed with my equipment behind it (not ideal, but it was a compromise I can live with). To the left is a large wide hallway that leads to multiple rooms and wraps around to the right eventually coming into another room (18x14x9.5) behind my right speaker. In the living room right in front of the speakers, the ceiling is 9.5', but to the left the ceiling is 18' high. About 8' from the right speaker is a wall of glass doors with heavy drapes. Floors are cushioned (acoustic pad under) hardwood laminate with heavy oriental carpets over. No other room treatments yet. Those will come later.
The speakers will sit on either side of the fireplace, making them about 11' from each other (center to center). My listening position will be about 12' back on an equilateral triangle.
Speakers...
For most of my life I've been drawn to dipoles, and specifically electrostats. I've owned many Magnepans (I know these are not electrostatics), Martin Logan, Quad, XStatic (current speakers). I've also owned Dahlquist D10, Klipsch La Scala, Byer, Snell, and a number of box speakers, the most recent being Totem Acoustic Element Metal V2. All have been good, but not quite what I want going forward.
I'm very concerned that with no front wall traditional electrostats won't perform well. So, I'm thinking about large open baffle designs. The most appealing is the Pure Audio Project Quintet 15 with the Voxativ AC-X Field Coil driver. But I've never actually heard them. I've heard the smaller Duet 15's at AXPONA 2026 and thought they sounded pretty good. I've talked with Ze'ev, the owner of PAP, and he really likes his speakers (big surprise there!).
I listen primarily between 70 dB and 85 dB, with peaks up to 95 dB. The system must deliver a harmonically rich, silky, and enveloping midrange at low and moderate levels, preserve spatial realism and instrument individuality at reference levels, and scale dynamically without compression or glare when pushed. The presentation should remain coherent and musically engaging outside the sweet spot, with realistic attack, natural decay, and no reliance on loudness or room gain to sound alive.
Insofar as my music, which is ultimately what this is all about, my typical music is Jazz and contemporary Jazz (Peter White, Rippingtons, Keiko Matsui, Lowell Hopper, Chris Standring, Paul Hardcastle, Seal, Sade, Cassandra Wilson, Melody Gardot, etc.). Progressive Rock (Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Saga, Camel, UK, Asia, King Crimson, Galaxy, Omega, Nektar, ELP, etc.). And some occasional 70s/80's/90's generic Rock.
The speaker budget is up to $30k new or used and I'm OK with either.
Do any of you own/listened to the PAP Quintet 15's? Do you like them? What do they do well and not so well?
What other speakers you all recommend that I should consider over the next few months?
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MBL's are awesome but they need front and side walls to work properly.
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32 years my system has occupied a large room with front wall ~ 25 feet all glass floor to ceiling from speakers. As long as your speakers are a easy load you should have no issues. My amp is a custom creation from Ric Schultz a 1200 EVS based on Icepower dual mono AS1200 modules, really big overkill, but, plays everything great. As my old gear has died Ive replaced them with Chinese kit; SMSL PL200T, Topping D 90 pre and D90’’’ Discrete one bit. Sound is every bit as good as the USA made kit, but much smaller. My speakers are Open Baffle. HTH |
Thank you for all of the thoughtful responses. I should mention that I’ve got 2 Rhyhmik E15HP2 subs that I will keep and leverage in the new system for low-end pressure. @ghdprentice. I’d forgotten about Acoustat. I was a dealer for them back around 1980 and had a number of them. I quite liked the 2+2, I thought it was one of their best. I like the SF’s and if I go box-type they will be on my short list. @laaudionut. LMAO, great music, but horrible recordings, I agree. I was a big fan of UK until they split up and Asia was sort-of close to their sound. John Wetton, RIP, same front man. @tablejockey. I’ve listened at length to the ML Renaissance 15a and I like them. @deep_333. I only get 1 set of speakers. I want to keep the wife very happy – my life is way better when that happens! I do like the power and intimacy of the big JBLs, but they are not what I’m looking for. @g2the2nd. Interesting, I didn’t know anyone other than Ohm was making a Walsh-based speaker. I’ll see if I can find a pair and listen. @tt1man. I’d love to hear more about your PAP experience. @theophile. Not going to happen for me, but very interesting site. @jrareform. Hmmm. I hadn’t thought about Legacy or Genelec. @steakster. I was in the MBL room at AXPONA 2026 and thought the sound was OK, but I didn’t experience the magic imaging people rave about. @audiopacer. I’ve heard the SCM50’s and thought they were pretty good for an improved BBC monitor sound, but that’s not what I’m looking for. @rtrlover. I agree with all, but I’m very inclined to try OB speakers. It may be short-lived, but I want to try them. @fastfreight. The Vivid Giya 1’s are an interesting idea, but they are a bit pricey. @ronboco. I thought the Rockport Avior II at AXPONA 2026 was one of the better speakers I’d heard there. Very reasonable price comparatively speaking. @parkergetdean. Thanks for sharing that speaker tool. Lots to think about. @kennyc. Thank you. @tweak1. Thank you. I used to live in Santa Cruz, CA and almost had Ric assemble/tweak an amp for me. He is a very knowledgeable guy with good ears. |
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