Note for those who buy used equipment...


I have obtained most of my equipment on the used market, and will continue to do so. However, today I ran into an issue that I had previously not encountered.

I was just about ready to pull the trigger on a used piece of Accustic Arts equipment when, in response to an inquiry about how to obtain any needed future service should that be needed, I received the following message from the Accustic Arts distributor in the U.S.:

"Thank you very much for your interest in ACCUSTIC ARTS products. My firm represents and distributes the brand in the USA and all responsibilities as it relates to repairs are through our firm.
We ONLY service products that are either bought from our firm or through an authorized dealer (similar policy to other manufacturers)".

After letting the distributor know that his policy ruled out any further consideration of Accustic Arts equipment for me, he sent the following:

"Our service policy is really no different than the vast majority of other manufacturer’s – in fact, just about nobody services or supports products bought and sold in the used market since we have no idea of how old the products are, where they were bought, how many times the items were bought and sold and how they were packaged etc. It would ultimately cause a huge liability for no reason. I suppose that is probably why most manufacturers will not support items bought and sold in the used market.
We carry ten (10) brands and we have one policy applicable to all."

So... before investing in something which may have very little re-sale value, and/or which has the potential to morph into a door-stop; do check on the manufacturer's/distributor's policy towards servicing used pieces of their equipment.

Rupe
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I always thought that a serial number on a unit was the confirmation that the product was manufactured by the company with and including a build and sale date. Why is there a grey market anyway? To sell refurbished gear or companies who make make a large purchase? Or selling discontinued items at a reduced price. The issue is always to so called "protect the Dealer". You know, those retail stores that sometimes sell at retail plus, another mark up. I have a problem with retail sellers who always complain about other retailers who give customers some kind of discount.

So lets do the math. You are a retailer who gives a discount to a customer who does hundreds if not thousands of dollars in sales. That promotes a return business. Lets face it. Everyone likes to save a little if possible.

If the issue is profit margin. That is the manufactures fault. If it's profit margins for the retailer. Then selling one unit at full retail is not as good as turning your inventory 5 times or more. Simple math. The discount put more money in the bank.

The crying retailer is where all this started. But the truth is a small private owned business does not really mean he or she is a good business person. That is why they go out of business.

Some manufactures like to be able to control the "sale/ Price" at retail. The internet is a prime example. Which is here to stay.

The manufacture gets it's price/ profit margin. Or can discount it's price at will. So it's my opinion to let the free market have fair competition.

Any manufacture that does not service it's own product is not to be trusted and should get bad press. Lets do the math here. Service costs pay for the repair. So there is no loss. In fact it's done at a profit.

Customer satisfaction and trust is what our free market is built on. There is not ( or at least few ) products that some competitor can't replace.

I am all for retail stores. The people who run them should be smart and not run away customers because they find products at a lower price.

Customer service on the retail and manufacture end is sometimes lacking.... even in high end gear. Cary Audio has only one tech that works after 1:00 pm. I even called Mogami Cable company and only one person had the knowledge to help people. This is a business flaw. Nothing makes for loosing customers more than bad customer service. On the flip side... good customer service and people who have "people skills" are worth the money they make ( if not under paid...LOL )

Dealing with the public can be a pain. But it's a job...LOL! Nothing gets to me worse than to call a company and the person who answers the phone is woman with a bad hair day or a man who is just getting through the day.

I asked to speak to one of the owners of a high end company ( small ) and was told they do not take calls. Not the best answer. I would have felt better if the "person" would have said maybe "John" could help you because the owner is not in.

It's OUR money. So we can choose how WE spend it. There is more power in that and the pen than most believe.
This is not my experience at all. In fact any very well known high end manufacturer, I can name Vandersteen, Cary Audio, and especially Magnepan, continue to support thier products well into the ump-teenth generation owner.

I have had Magenapan rebuild IIIa's and 3.6R's to completely new condition. I was shocked at how reasonable the price was, and they knew who the original owners were by serial number in each case.

I will never buy an item from a company that won't support fully paid repair work. They won't be in business very long in my opinion.

As an additional point that I just thought of, McIntosh is great about repairing gear. I think these guys at AA are not the best business people on the planet if they think they can get away with spitting on the secondary market.

I’ll share a resent experience with having purchased 2 items made by the same manufacturer but bought from 2 different dealers.

Event #1, I ordered a McIntosh MT10 Turntable on December 15, 2025 from my local high-end audio dealer. I took delivery of the MT10 on January 17, 2026. The shop did the initial setup in-house, so after picking up the unit, I unboxed the turntable and began to play it. 4 weeks later, doing my due diligence to prepare an LP for playing, I cued up the tonearm, released the tonearm lever, it lowered down onto the record and suddenly to my surprise, the tonearm skates off the record. (This was a first in my over 60 years of being an audiophile). Thinking that I made a mistake I cued-up the tonearm in alignment with the record only to see it skate off the record a second time. Then I noticed that the stylus was missing and that tiny component was laying on the top of the audio cabinet having been flung there when it broke away from the cartridge. (Note: The MT10’s tonearm lever doesn’t allow manually placing the tonearm down to the record initially, it pneumatically lowers the tonearm once the tonearm lever reaches it’s lowest point, so it’s not like I dropped the tonearm down on the record breaking the stylus.)

I called my audio dealer to report that the stylus had broken away from the cartridge. I described to the tech at the shop my preparation steps and the results, his conclusion was that, “It must be operator error that broke the stylus and that he could sell me a new one with no concessions regarding being under manufacturers warranty. This was on a Saturday, I told him that I would call the owner on their next business day to hopefully get a better result. On their next business day, Tuesday, I received a phone call from the tech-salesman that actually sold me the MT10. He informed me that he got a scenario of my call on Saturday with his colleague. I informed him that in addition to my call on Saturday with his colleague, I called McIntosh the day before (Monday) and they were reviewing my situation and issued me an AR #. He said that he would send an email to McIntosh Labs Service Department to advocate for a replacement and to express to McIntosh that I was a loyal customer with a complete system made of their components (my system can be viewed on this forum)… I never heard back from McIntosh. However, McIntosh sent a replacement cartridge to my local audio shop on my behalf and the shop voluntarily opted to come to my house to reinstall and calibrate the new cartridge. Now I thought that was what customer service is supposed to be like! Albeit, my first contact with both the dealer’s shop and McIntosh was disappointing…

Event #2 with yet another McIntosh product, ie; an MP100 Phono Preamp which was ordered around the same time as the MT10 and was already installed in my system previously, before the stylus incident, which had an electronic high-pitched sound that could be heard faintly from the cabinet installed unit but also through the left speaker once the music stopped playing. I asked this forum’s members for help diagnosing the problem and got good suggestions to diagnose and solve the problem. I took all of the troubleshooting advice and did a step by step process from each method, with no joy! So, I called Crutchfield (where I ordered the unit from) to be informed that their 60 day return policy had expired, it was day 64 from receiving it. Okay, so I contacted McIntosh, the unit still being under it’s, new product 3-year warranty and was given 3 options to resolve my issue with the phono preamp, 1) Call Crutchfield for a replacement (I explained why that wasn’t an option 2) Send the unit to McIntosh’s Service Department, where I was informed that servicing the unit could take 4 to 6 months and could possibly take as long as 1-1/2 years to get it back to me. 3) I could take it to an authorized repair shop that’s 70 miles from where I live, 4) Take the unit to the only other authorized shop in my area that was 65 miles in the other direction. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and I live practically equal distance from both authorized shops however, both traffic corridors are two of the worst in the country!! At no time did McIntosh offer to replace the defective unit with another new unit…
 

Having gotten those alternatives from McIntosh I called Crutchfield again with McIntosh’s solutions and a manager at Crutchfield granted me an exception to their 60 day return policy. I returned the old unit to Crutchfield, they sent me a new MP100 that works fine in my system…Problem solved!

I never expect repair or replacement coverage on pre-owned/used gear past the company’s claim of good working condition period. But when it comes to buying new gear I think there should be a better standard…

Like someone mention in this stream, I guess we all should consider before purchasing, what servicing or repair polices and or methods we’re willing to go along with.

So KUDOS to companies like CRUTCHFIELD, and maybe not so much for the big guys like McIntosh…