Reconfirming the known: DAC hierarchy


I have used separate DACs since the late 1980’s. I have had many and understand the hierarchy well. But recently just had a reconfirmation. As always hearing the differences is always more striking than just thinking about them. 

About five years ago I was helping introduce a friend to the high end and ultimately build a system. He wanted to start inexpensively so I suggested a Schiit Yggdrasil DAC and since I needed to upgrade my office system I bought a Schiit Gundgnir multibit ($1.3K) for him to check out and he ultimately bought the Yggdrasil (A2) $2.5K. Not long after he bought ARC equipment with a Linn front end with  Majik DAC... a very notable upgrade... then a couple years later upgraded the DAC to Exakt... for a surprising improvement... he was shocked. He experienced the multiple surprising improvements Gundgnir --> Yggdrasil--> Majik --> Exakt. 

My office system was pleasing until a month ago or so my Gundgnir bit the dust. I asked to borrow his unused Yggdrasil. I was shocked (this is what keeps you in this pursuit for a lifetime) how much better the Yggy sounded... I knew it should and I could describe the difference before putting it in... but when I did I am always surprised at how obvious and substantial it is. My friend was kind enough to sell me the Yggy so I didn’t have to buy a new one. 

I had lazily used my M4 Mac Studio as a streaming source when I had gotten rid of the last of my Microsoft / Intel stuff ( big tower for the desktop computing). So since I had to pull out the audio rack I decided to use the Bluesound stream I had gotten for breaking in cables and stuff. Wow, a big improvement... I mean, I knew it was coming... but it's alway surprising when you hear it an it sure was a reconfirmation of how a really low level budget streamer is better than a PC. Which I have proven to my self  many times... but that still, when I hear it is just really obvious

ghdprentice

Hans Beekhuyzen speaks again in very brief manner herein starting at 4:02

https://youtu.be/-WDIho5AeK0
 

Here is a précis of his thinking and mechanics behind it in the 25=years  gone by since streaming first started on a PC back in thst Jurassic Age of capabilities ,

A minority cohort believe that a well‑built PC can equal or outperform many “high‑end” streamers if it’s engineered as a low‑noise, bit‑perfect transport.

But in real systems—especially high-end resolving ones - dedicated streamers win because they control electrical noise, timing stability, and OS‑level interference in ways a general‑purpose PC simply cannot match.

This is a chain that ruthlessly exposes upstream noise, timing, and tonal artifacts. So the “PC vs streamer” debate is not theoretical—it’s audible.

Changes in Sound 

Three variables matter most:and the differences are not subtle. 

A. Electrical noise (the big one)

A PC is a radio transmitter disguised as a computer with inferior and limiting characteristics :

  • Switching power supplies
  • GPU/CPU noise
  • USB bus noise
  • Ground contamination
  • Fan vibration and EMI

And all of this rides along the USB or SPDIF line into your DAC.
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High‑end streamers attack and improve on this with:

  • Linear power supplies
  • Low‑noise clocks
  • Galvanic isolation
  • Optimized OS with minimal background processes
  • Shielded, vibration‑controlled chassis

This is why even “bit‑perfect” PC output doesn’t sound the same.

 

B. Clocking & jitter

PCs are not designed for real‑time audio.

Dedicated streamers use:

  • Femto clocks
  • Reclocking stages
  • Asynchronous USB optimization
  • Low‑phase‑noise oscillators

The output benefits massively from a stable, low‑jitter source.

 

C. Software stack

Windows/macOS = noisy, multitasking, unpredictable.

High‑end streamers run:

  • Stripped‑down Linux
  • Real‑time kernels
  • Dedicated audio pipelines
  • No background tasks

This reduces timing variance and noise injection.

 

PC as source typically sounds:

  • Flatter soundstage
  • Less micro‑detail
  • Slight digital “glare”
  • Less separation
  • Bass less defined
  • Harmonics less liquid

High‑end streamer sounds:

  • Blacker background
  • More holographic imaging
  • More natural decay
  • Better micro‑dynamics
  • More organic tone
  • Cleaner transients
  •  

TAKEAWAY: High end components and high end speakers especially will expose the noise floor and other differences instantly.

 

 

one drunken senile uncle just has to ruin a perfectly pleasant holiday dinner gathering...

@muvluv "i use a pc and when the audio is mastered right the noise floor is silent on my system that is how I know."

But you don't know since you haven't done any actual comparison. And, technology may be technology but  the overall implementation is what matters otherwise every component would sound the same which they don't. 

@facten no not every thing sounds I same I went from the smsl su-9 to su-9pro than to an sux and from each of them my system got louder. After I used my first r2r dac which is a topping Centaurus which offered the most clarity out of them all so I do hear differences. 

@akg_ca most modern dacs that are built to spec have the right usb and it’s isolated from everything else so no matter what is inside the pc is basically ignored and only the music will play 

The processing end (server) doesn't matter once you use a separate, network isolated endpoint.  But I theorize that many people do not prefer bit perfect sound.