@hilde45 Might want to look at Jay's Iyagi comparison on Youtube between AGD Audion's vs Laiv. In a nutshell Laiv has more muscle but comes up short in every other category.
Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?
Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?
I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.
In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:
"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."
"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."
Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828
As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.
One specific question for Audiogon members:
If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?
Here are some criteria I use:
- Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
- High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
- Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
- Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
- Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
- Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
- Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
- Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
- Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
- Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?
If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.
I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.
Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.
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@riaa_award_collectors_on_facebook Thanks -- I'll take a look. AGD came up short for me too, but at $7850 I might have had higher expectations for it than for the LaiV. Still, for that $$ the LaiV should sound good enough to keep. The NAD v. 1 Eigentakt failed that for me, and the v. 2 is around $5k (though prices are going up, I think). Still need to try the Atmasphere, which at $6320 is a fair bit more than the Laiv. Appreciate the reference. | ||||||||||||
Researching and comparing any online notes that can be found for studying Tube / Class A amp designs vs. different ClassD designs while attempting to understand any loss that still might occur through the Analog signal → pulse encoding → switching → analog reconstruction process. Reference to good old standard Tube / ClassA SS amps, with:
Hearing in midrange: Flesh-and-blood vocals, wet texture, where decay trails linger naturally, slight bloom around, close to "realness" -vs- Reference to "older" ClassD architecture and designs, having:
-vs- Reference to newer ClassD architecture and designs, having:
Listeners reportedly hearing:
But still:
👉 Findings: "approaches analog" flow — but "doesn’t fully become it" ----- AXPONA 2026 - ClassD? It will be interesting to read and view show reports after Axpona ends to learn just how many ClassD amps are presented in the show rooms. So far, still seeing lots of tube amps and Class A/AB amps there viewed on the walk-thru videos over the past few days. Hoping others who attended post more here with updates, Thx. | ||||||||||||
I had Claude AI do an analysis of Axpona, and here's what it came up with:
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What’s interesting is just how many rooms still run tube amps at Axpona. If this breakdown is even remotely true, it’s a surprise. Seeing more tube amps on walk-thru videos than prior years. There were like 220 listening rooms listed.
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