There is also a 0.6mc time delay that you need to dial in. It’s supposed to be pre-set, but mine was not.
Eminent Technology LFT-8c Robert Greene review
A friend of mine forwarded this review to me a couple days ago. I hadn't seen it as it's just a week old at this point.
Why would I be interested? I have a pair of LFT-8b speakers that I picked up about 7 months ago. Wonderful speakers. I always wanted to try a set of panels and, as luck would have it, last summer I found a used pair of 8b's just a short drive from my home..I made the jump. As it turns out, this was one of the best moves I've made in my 50+ year audio hobby.
In the last few months, I was considering picking up the 8b to 8c upgrade components, but put it off as I had a number of other projects going on. Well..the projects got completed and I started a few more projects, though this time around the 8c upgrade is one of them. I ordered the 8c upgrade yesterday and I'm really looking forward to the adventure once it arrives.
One thing I've noticed when reading discussions of the LFT-8(no a, b, c) here on A-gon, is the discussion wanders over the now 36 year history of the LFT-8. Issues identified in this or that review from 10-20-25 years ago are brought up as if they reflect what the LFT-8 is today. LFT-8's had a great sound 30 years ago, with a few flaws, as any 30 year old speaker would, and it sounds better today. Nothing surprising there. Most companies cut ties with models as they age and come out with something new, whether they are really new or repackaged parts..that varies..
What's my point? I just find it interesting that Bruce Thigpen (Eminent Technology) came out with the LFT-8 in about 1990 and has been continually improving the model 8 year after year, decade in and decade out, staying in business with no advertising, though with a few shows here and there. There are very few current speakers(let alone businesses) alive today that have a 30+ year history under largely the same name. (Though the Vandy 2 series comes to mind) Pretty unique in this industry. It's also pretty unique that a decades old pair of LFT-8 speakers can be upgraded to the current model at a very modest cost. And the upgrade is easily done by any owner.
So..the latest review:
https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/eminent-technology-lft-8c-planar-loudspeaker/
Robert Greene goes into considerable depth in his review, which is specific to the 8c version, though he's done an 8b review in the past. I'm glad it came out as it pushed me over the edge in ordering the 8c upgrade. I'm not getting any younger..time to give the 8c a spin.
One last note, I've read in a number of older and current reviews that the LFT-8 speaker placement is..finicky. I haven't found that to be the case at all. In the last 7 months I've experimented extensively with placement and they respond well to various setups. My current setup is about 115 inches between the panels (on center) and maybe 30 degrees toe-ed in from facing directly forward. Each speaker is 45 inches off the front wall(on center) and 38 inches from the side walls. I have a great soundstage and and equally great imaging. My tweeter panels are on the inside.
(...and no..I have no affiliation with ET..just a customer owning a used pair of the 2017 model 8b)
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@ozzy62: Of course a problem with bass may be a room issue, not the speakers themselves. The increased bass output of the 8c dipole woofer (in comparison with the monopole 8b woofer) may be loading the room in a way the 8b didn't. One reason I have found the Rythmik Audio/GR Research Sub to be so remarkable is that it is not only a dipole design, but also an open baffle. OB's don't pressurize the room the way sealed and ported woofers do (even if of dipole design). The OB/Dipole Sub sounds surprising like the bass panels of the Magneplanar Tympani T-IVa.
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This room is capable of excellent bass and is heavily treated. I have moved them (and me) around and around. I have tried all bass module volume settings. The 0.6 ms delay is pre programmed, I checked. They show promise on jazz and vocals. But I think their sound may just not be for me. I know if I turn them back around, someone will get a screaming deal. |
I was the one (Schroeder, not Schneider; often mistaken identity issue) who did the stacked LFT-8A's many years ago. I love experimening with systems, and I tried them with tweeters to outside and to inside. I found that if the speakers were toed in toward each other slightly, the comb filtering could be ameliorated. Currently using/own the prodigious Kingsound King III electrostatic speakers, reviewed at Dagogo.com. I also did a review of the conversion of the LFT-8A to the 8B version, once again for Dagogo.com. Very happy I chose to review the King and then King III. These are like big brothers to Quad speakers. The LFT-8 series imo is as great, and perhaps even greater gift to budget audiophiles than Magnepan or Vandersteen. I have owned all 3 brands through the years. |
@ozzy62 Sorry to hear about your bass issues. I hope you can work things out. In the event you can't and need to move on, where are you located? Send me a PM if you like. I know someone that may be interested if your anywhere, regionally close. As for my midrange panels on the inside setup..even today (after listening for 6 hours yesterday) they still sound new and different. Big improvement. Of course, in my head, you seldom get anything for free. An improvement in one area often leads to a decrease in some other area. This is sort of a cardinal rule of optimization, regardless of what is being optimized. With the tweeter panels now on the outside I'm playing with increased toe-in. Originally (mids on the outside) I was using maybe 15 degrees of toe-in. I've now rotated the rear spike(I have the Sound Anchor three-spike stands) in two adjustments of 1.5 inches each around the front-inside spike. I can hear a difference. I think I'm going to settle in on the 3 inch rotation and see how things play out. I'm typically fairly skeptical about the accuracy of A-I on many topics as it often authoritatively makes stuff up. That said, I ran this mid panel outside vs inside and toe in question through A-I and it indicated the mids inside is often the preferred setup for most people. It described the resulting changes one would expect to hear pretty much spot-on with what I'm hearing. When I asked about the degree of toe-in to try it gave me suggestions (and results to expect) that ranged from the speaker axis crossing over behind me to crossing at my head to crossing 1-3 feet in front of me. The room size wasn't specified, but directly on axis or crossing in front of me would be extreme toe-in for my room. I've tried on-axis in the past and didn't care for it. A-I suggested, in a sufficiently sized room (with plenty of set-back to the listening position) that the crossover 1-3 feet in front of me might be optimal. I have a hard time believing that, but it isn't an option for me anyway, so I'll let that go. |
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