Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?


Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?

I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.

In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:

"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."

"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."

Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828

As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.

One specific question for Audiogon members:

If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?

Here are some criteria I use:

  1. Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
  2. High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
  3. Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
  4. Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
  5. Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
  6. Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
  7. Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
  8. Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
  9. Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
  10. Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?

If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.

I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.

Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.

hilde45

@hilde45  I was thinking of my previous comment about the Dragon monos being too much for your more sensitive speakers. The gain from those amps (at 22)  is actually lower than most. You certainly won't need all the reserve power they offer, but... well, maybe give Rogue a call and talk with them about it. And of course I doubt you would go wrong with the Atmasphere monos.

@markmuse My QS tubes are 26 and my Pass is 20 so I'm sure they'd be fine. The question for me is whether, effectively, I've heard the Dragons before -- insofar as I've heard a couple different types of Purifi implementations in my system, including combining them with tubes at the preamp. Makes me think my time might be better spent on the Atmasphere. His long career in audio and deep familiarity with tubes makes him a fairly unique maker of class D amps, though the Rogue people have also been doing it for decades. These are lifelong audio engineers who have their head firmly in the audio sensibility zone. Hmmm.

@hilde45  I'm not trying to sway you one way or another. But if you do audition the Dragons bear in mind that they come with JJ's installed. My first impression was they sounded kind of dull. But further burn-in (they get 24 hr at assembly) and swapping the tubes made big difference. Others have said tube rolling in them really alters the sound. I don't have that much experience with it but seems to be so. But on the other hand I'm sure you can't go wrong with Ralphs monos. 

re: Speaker profile topic

"@atmasphere ...That depends on the class D. ..."

Thanks for the follow-up Ralph. Interesting that you also mentioned ESLs too. My custom designed speakers are considered to be electrostatic, and dipole.  I've tried several different amps with them over the past 7-8 years.  They are super revealing for what they are and how they present the music and sound stage. I've tried a total of 32 different small input/driver tubes (90% vintage) in my monoblocks and can hear differences between every pair. I've been wondering how close your amps would sound to my tube amps and/or my Class A solid state amp, and how they would be different in their own ways. I've been following those folks here who've tried my type of amps and your amps and what their longer term impression is.

Do you happen to know if any of the speaker or other equipment vendors will have your Class D and/or Tube amps in any of the rooms at Axpona coming up?