Turntable advice / opinion on setup / sound.


Hello all you analog experts. I am seeking some advice, opinions and direction to try, based on my tastes and setup. 

I’m not loving my current TT sound but there are variables that could cause this. For reference, my favorite TT I ever owned was the ClearAudio Champion Level 2 (wish I never sold it) because it was warm and had a huge stage. 

  1. I listen to every style of music, smooth jazz to hard metal. 
  2. I have to turn the volume way up to get the get the level I like which at times has hiss and a tiny bit of hum. Compared to digital sources which have none of these issues. 
  3. I find this setup to lack huge stage and warmth. 

My current system is:

  1. Rega Planar 8 w/ Alpheta 2 MC cart.  
  2. Cambridge Audio -> Alva Duo Phono Pre amp
  3. Mark Levinson -> No 585 Amp. 
  4. Martin Logan 15a Renaissance -> 8FT apart/ 3ft off the front wall and 3 FT from each side wall. I sit 9FT away from the speakers.  

The turntables I am considering are:

1) Musical Fidelity -> M8XTT

What cart would you use?

2) Michell Audio -> Gyro SE Turntable

3) Clear Audio Champion Level 2

Thank you all in advance for any guidance and opinions you can offer. 

necrosuit

@necrosuit I agree with you about MM cartridges.  One current favorite, AT VMN60xSL is also the least expensive in my collection.  Too often MM are over looked.  For many years I have also liked my 2M Black (now LVB) and for mono my go to has been the 2M Mono SE, unfortunate no longer available.  I like it better than the Cadenza Mono, and a Miyajima Zero that I recently sold, both MC.

Rega may not be greedy like others, my point is ’proprietary’ greedy, like Apple, who changed the charger every generation, making you buy new cords, new connectors, new chargers, and limiting the memory so it wasn’t enough for the next ’system’, and you could not replace the battery. It took an act of a Continent to force them to use usb-c. Products: great; get my money, no way.

Rega: ’just stick with their cartridges’ and you will be fine.’ That is what I think of as ’proprietary’ greed.

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My last comment about Exxon, certainly not a TT, which I just offered up so you get a better clue of my personality when I say ’nasty’ about not providing the needed measurements and printing light grey on white, which seemed to upset Rega fans.

After their day in court, they were originally fined 5 Billion". They set aside money, and made interest on it for 19 years, before paying a small share of that.

from an AI quickie:

https://search.brave.com/ask?q=exxon%27s+final+settlement+of+the+valdez&quickAnswerKey=08f086b05ef346b8d9d3e7382ac1f538bb12&quickAnswerQuery=exxon%27s+final+settlement+of+the+valdez&conversation=08f0d7b59bb75e87b7eb2d54577133316292

"ecological damage ranged between $2.8 billion and $7.2 billion—far exceeding the $1 billion Exxon paid for natural resource damages

Exxon recovered $780 million through insurance claims.  This means the company paid $1.72 billion directly.

($2.5 billion - $780 million = $1.72 billion) / $2.5 billion = 68.8%, which rounds to about 70%.

 

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How much did the spill cost the environment?

 

 

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The environmental cost of the Exxon Valdez spill is difficult to quantify in a single dollar amount, but studies estimate the public’s willingness to pay to avoid the ecological damage ranged between $2.8 billion and $7.2 billion—far exceeding the $1 billion Exxon paid for natural resource damages.  The spill caused immense harm, contaminating 1,300 miles of shoreline and killing an estimated 250,000 seabirds, 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 250 bald eagles, 22 killer whales, and billions of fish eggs.  Decades later, oil remains in the environment, and some species have still not fully recovered. "

 

You need to go back and read your history.  First, Exxon Corporation started paying money for clean up immediately.  The company did not wait for a court order.  Second, I am not being trite here, our legal remediation system is based on money.  The people on the bridge of the Valdez did not have the funds.  Exxon Corporation had the funds.  Legal training 101, Find the money.  Try not to conflate the issue of blame with consequence.  Enough, now back to turntables. 

Rega: ’just stick with their cartridges’ and you will be fine.’ That is what I think of as ’proprietary’ greed.

You miss the whole purpose for Rega's approach.

Most high end turntables are never set up optimally. I distributed high end back in the mid 80's - I would estimate that 80% of the high end TT's I encountered were poorly set up - as in major fundamental mistakes.

Rega's approach is to provide a complete system, no set up required. The turntable can be purchased as far as I understand with the cartridge prefitted. The Rega protractor provides the set up tools required to set any cartridge if you wish to do it yourself.

First, Exxon Corporation started paying money for clean up immediately....

One of the more interesting learnings from the Exxon Valdez spill is that where an attempt to clean it up occurred, the seabed has not recovered, but where the rest of it was left alone, nature has cleaned it up via bacteria that use the oil as a food source.