Vinyl vs Streaming

Vinyl can’t be mapped to a resolution of digital. There are no bits and nothing to process and convert unless you’re using ADC. 
Furthermore, it is impossible to measure musical engagement with an oscilloscope. You cannot measure the naturalness of tone either. 

Our preferences are never the same. Some value total silence and have zero tolerance for any type of imperfection. Even at the expense tonality and musical engagement. Some value convenience over anything else. Some are amazed by technology and don’t care about anything else. 
 

It’s like saying a Tesla Model 3 Performance is better than a BMW M3 because it has full self driving and can hit 0-60 in 2.9 seconds. It has zero feel and is completely artificial. Some absolutely love it. It can drive you around and you can even summon it from a parking spot to come to the front of the store where you’re standing with shopping bags. But…it’s completely anemic, has zero feel and zero engagement factor. It has superior technology in electronics that’s about it. I’ll take the noisy and rumbling BMW where I can feel the thing breathing and screaming. 
Different vibes for different tribes…
 

@billpete 

HDCD is much closer to my best vinyl but still not 100% there, just getting very close. 

I've found that rips from HDCDs that took advantage of the extra resolution usually sounded especially good. At one point before high res appeared, I tested a couple of thousand CDs to see if any had HDCD coding. There were several that were not marked as such. Also I looked through an online registry of HDCDs to see if there was any worth buying.

I wondered if more care was taken over the mastering than for the typical standard 16 bit CD.

@audphile1 

Great post. I like the explanation and the car analogy.

Vinyl can’t be mapped to a resolution of digital. There are no bits and nothing to process and convert unless you’re using ADC. 

I am guessing vinyl must have a theoretical equivalent to the resolution of digital due to the limit of accuracy of the cutting lathe. Yet, better turntables seem to have been able to extract ever more information from the grooves of records. Surely, this can’t go on forever. 

Incidently, I am using an ADC and consider it takes things to a higher level by reducing noise and distortion and facilitating DSP room correction. Apologies to analogue purists.

@newton_john Mcintosh MP100 phono stage has a USB out that, using internal ADC pumps out 24/96 digital signal. Cool phono stage that sounds great doing its primary function although I never tried its USB out. A friend owns this piece and I always enjoy it when I borrow it. May be next time I’ll give it a shot and see what kind of noise it makes feeding my Meitner dac. 

@audphile1 

I didn’t know about the Mcintosh Preamp having USB. I was referring to the Linn Urika II. This moves the RIAA equalisation to the digital domain and potentially also allows the preamp and crossover functions to be digital too. That avoids distortion and noise from the analogue path. It is effectively streaming from vinyl. Yet it avoids one of the disadvantages of streaming which is the noise from the network. That may be one of the reasons why I prefer vinyl in my system.

I believe it’s also possible to do this for local digital files with a Melco server by connecting it to the streamer by USB. That’s something I haven’t tried myself because because I use a Roon ROCK NUC server. I haven’t yet exhausted all the possibilities for getting the best out of that. So far I have made progress by more careful positioning of switch and NUC away from sources of interference and upgrading the cable between them to a Melco C100.

One of the benefits of having both streaming and vinyl is that each encourages you to strive to improve the other. Neither is perfect yet. It is ironic the improvements that made to to digital side during my vinyl hiatus, actually enabled me to reach a higher standard from vinyl when I returned to it. Which in turn highlighted the deficiencies of my server setup that I am now working on. It's been a long and winding road, but it is getting better all the time.