Do streamers make a difference?


Just added the Nagra Streamer and I can wholeheartedly say yes, it does. Without buttons, remote control or a screen, it is elegant in its simplicity. On the other hand, its music selection is anything but simple as it accommodates Qobuz Connect, Tidal Connect, and Spotify Connect. It is Roon ready/Roon Tested, JPLAY Certified, and plays with Audirvāna, Airplay 2, UPnP/dlna for local files and vTuner for radio access.

It is a wonderful device and I hear more music and I hear the music more clearly. But in the interest of full disclosure, is it the streamer or the result of removing a USB connection?

My previous system used a Roon Nucleus Plus as server and streamer and was fed via an AudioQuest Vodka RJ/E ethernet cable from an Xfinity XB7-modem/router. The Nucleus was then connected via an AudioQuest Dragon USB cable to a Playback Designs USB-X4 interface, which connected to a Playback Designs MPD-8 DAC using their proprietary high-bandwidth fiberoptic cable. In addition to the fiberoptic connection providing galvanic isolation, the USB-X4 also reduces jitter with a clock that is identical to the clock in the MPD-8.

The new system has the Nucleus and the Nagra Streamer each connected via Vodka ethernet cables to the Xfinity XB7-T.  Nagra and Playback Designs share design technology and the Nagra Streamer connects to the MPD-8 with the same proprietary fiberoptic connection as the USB-X4 and also incorporates the identical clock, yielding the same sonic benefits in terms of noise and jitter reduction.

There is definite improvement in terms of detail and space. There is simply more to the music. I venture that the streamer contributes the lion’s share but acknowledge that I have removed a USB connection from the flow, which may also contribute to the difference. 

While I believe it is a great addition to my system, the Nagra is not for everybody since its connectivity is limited to only two outputs, the second being an S/PDIF. The USB port is an input for hard and flash drives. 

The matching Nagra Compact PSU almost doubles the purchase price so I have ordered a Teddy Pardo LPS to replace the included SMPS. 

I do not use a network switch since I have only the two ethernet connections and see no reason to isolate one from the other. I also believe clocking is not an issue, but I am interested in what others think on both fronts.

Of note, EMM employ a similar proprietary fiberoptic cable set-up but utilize a different format that is not compatible with Nagra and Playback Designs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

tcutter

"...jitter at the server is irrelevant in a properly designed system. The DAC reclocks the incoming stream—its oscillator determines jitter performance, not the source."

@hilde45 This is valid only where the DAC receives signal input via USB. With SPDIF/AES EBU/I2S, there is no reclocking by the DAC, and jitter is indeed a concern for the server because its oscillators determine the timing. Even where the DAC does the clocking (USB), the jitter performance of its oscillators are oftentimes susceptible to some extent by infiltrating galvanic noise generated by the server. 

Great, interactive, and educational post.  @fastfreight @tcutter and everyone else, I found this discussion to be very beneficial. I have a similar setup to some of you. My main DAC is the Naga Tube DAC with a separate power supply along with a Siltech Royal Double Crown AES cable connected to my Grimm MU1 streamer. Currently, I am demoing a Nadac D and Nadac C by Master Fidelity with a Kubala-Sosna USB connected to a "homemade NUC." I know using the AES cable to connect my Grimm (since it does not have USB out) to the Nadac D+C defeats the clock; however, initially that was the only way to test the Nadac D. I have not spent much time demoing with the new NUC. I did speak directly to Mr. Xu, who was incredibly helpful with setup and filter selection using the AES, and he was the one who recommended a NUC to test the Nadac C+D. I'm interested in the thoughts of others as it relates to streamer selection and possible scenarios for my streamer and DAC setup.

This thread on the value of digital-to-digital convertor in between streamer and DAC when connecting via USB might be of interest to some here.

Great topic!  As you all know in previous  responses that I've said I heard differences between streamers, even significant differences. This discussion has been educational and has increased my interest in learning more about DACs not just streamers.

I'm curious to learn more about my Accuphase stack. I'm toying with the idea of upgrading my DAC and I want to learn more about Accuphase's gain settings so I'm going to open up a new thread for those who have experience with Accuphase.