Phono Stage


I am getting near the end of my current system journey.  I have my digital (streaming) side set (for now). It sounds glorious to my old hearing aid assisted ears. And streaming is where I spend the vast majority of my listening. 
Regardless, I am now focusing on vinyl, with the recent addition of a P8. 
My analog side: Rega P8 w/ Hana ML > Rega Aria > Kimber KS1018 > BHK pre > Zavfino Fusion mk2 > Moon 330A > Transparent + > KEF Ref 3’s. If do a weak link analysis both chatGPT & Gemini say it  my phono stage.

So looking for potential replacements. As always I am very space constrained, (half wides are perfect) no tubes and looking to stay under $3,000 used. I like accuracy, clarity & cleanliness. 
My current candidates: 
Rega AOS

Gold Note PH10

Sutherland 20/20 w/LPS

Sutherland Little Loco

The Sutherland’s work because they are thin and con fit under my raised center channel speaker. The duo stack is too high  

Please let me know your thoughts and/or recommendations. Thanks!

 

signaforce

@signaforce 

Rega carts are not held in high regard by my local dealer that I respect. Their TTs yes, but not their carts.

There is the dig. I have only had two Rega carts: the Exacta II (MM cart) and now the Ania. Both came with the table, which minimized the cost of the cart. I was really impressed with the Exacta which at the time was Rega's best MM offering. Loading was easy and fine tuning was a cinch - I knew I had too much gain when the cart gave off too much surface noise. Every other cart I had, I would get to that point and then I would dial it back a setting, which was how I knew I was at the sweet spot. It's easy to know (sound says so!) when you have too much gain, harder to tell if you do not have enough. Fine tuning requires both ends to exceed one another which is how one tunes/meets the sound in the middle. 

Rega recommends 69.5 gain for the Ania. At 65db on my Musical Surroundings Nova III I am maxed out on gain, and there is scant surface noise. In fact, it was a bit hard for me to fathom when I first heard it because I hear ZERO surface noise. One might claim victory at that, but it is clear that I may not be able to optimize the cart without a new preamp. It is questionable that I have accomplished the fine tuning aspect of installation successfully. The sound I am left with is slightly dark- although to be fair- I am using a battery pack with the Nova III so it has always had a blacker background than any other previous preamp I have had. Still, I feel like I am at an impasse. As others have said about not having enough gain, is what I am hearing, there should be more headroom and air. I should hear the needle sliding through the grooves to some extent, but unfortunately, it's too quiet. Missing some top end, I am afraid.

So I need a new cart or a new phone preamp. Kind of the same situation you are in; hence my interest in your thread. Only my needs are likely going to bend towards an Aria phono preamp, and yours may be more slanted towards a Nova III??

Like you, I listen to my analog rig maybe 10% of the time. In the last year or so, I have been exclusively listening to digital. I love the MS Nova III, but with the battery pack, it takes up more rack space than I would prefer. I need a one chassis solution and my Ania needs 69.5 gain. 

If you are willing to try it out, I would send you the Nova III if you would be willing to send out the Aria? You can DM me, if interested. 

 

 

 

 

@goodlistening64 i would keep in mind the Rega recommendation for gain is most likely a product of their design with an all Rega system as a whole for synergy. 
I wouldn’t obsess over that 69.5db gain setting that doesn’t exist outside of Rega phono stages. Just my $0.02

Austin audio works? Schitt? Also check out Stereophile recommended components. Enjoy the search!

Consider DS Audio. 
 

DS Audio phono “preamps” are half width. 
 

Audio quality is amazing. 

An extremely small stylus is used which gets below much of the surface noise/scratches for very quiet backgrounds.

@audphile1 

I understand. The Aria would get me to that all-Rega system synergy. Heck, I've even got the Rega phono cable.

Didn't see it coming. After I purchased a DDC last year my analog rig is of lesser importance. I had similar thoughts that align with signaforce and even craved a Hana cartridge. The DDC took the rack space I used for the Nova III, so I am OK with taking a step in a different direction. Typically, I shoot for the moon, but feel the need to simplify and perhaps even become more cost conscious, which is unusual..angel