Phono Stage


I am getting near the end of my current system journey.  I have my digital (streaming) side set (for now). It sounds glorious to my old hearing aid assisted ears. And streaming is where I spend the vast majority of my listening. 
Regardless, I am now focusing on vinyl, with the recent addition of a P8. 
My analog side: Rega P8 w/ Hana ML > Rega Aria > Kimber KS1018 > BHK pre > Zavfino Fusion mk2 > Moon 330A > Transparent + > KEF Ref 3’s. If do a weak link analysis both chatGPT & Gemini say it  my phono stage.

So looking for potential replacements. As always I am very space constrained, (half wides are perfect) no tubes and looking to stay under $3,000 used. I like accuracy, clarity & cleanliness. 
My current candidates: 
Rega AOS

Gold Note PH10

Sutherland 20/20 w/LPS

Sutherland Little Loco

The Sutherland’s work because they are thin and con fit under my raised center channel speaker. The duo stack is too high  

Please let me know your thoughts and/or recommendations. Thanks!

 

signaforce

A slightly more technical explanation: Gain affects both Signal to Noise ratio and headroom, volume does not.  So if you get gain wrong, you can’t fix it with volume.

 


mdalton

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A slightly more technical explanation: Gain affects both Signal to Noise ratio and headroom, volume does not.  So if you get gain wrong, you can’t fix it with volume.

 

@mdalton 
So the amplifier SNR and THD remain flat throughout the entire range independent of the load? You sure about that? There’s no sweet spot for volume on preamplifie? SNR is flat?
No intention to derail the discussion but that’s not an accurate statement. 

@audphile1 Maybe just a little aggressive there.  I didn’t actually say that.  The math is a little complicated, but the way an SNR calculation works for a system, at low gain, downstream noise (e .g., preamp noise) dominates and you get worse SNR.  At very high gain, noise essentially becomes independent of gain theoretically (as you hit the intrinsic limit of the phono stage).  Alas, no free lunch, as too much gain results in clipping, overhead compression, etc. That’s why you try for the sweet spot.

 

@signaforce 

The Aria is an outstanding phono stage, maybe the try one of the cartridges in Rega's extensive line which would be more appropriate for the Planar 8. Also think about fixing your room layout which would be more acceptable for stereo. Its not all about wife acceptance factor or having the sectional positioned for TV viewing but rather symmetry. Big audible improvement!