are NET Switches worth considering?

It's a long thread, but lots of interesting discussion in the original etherregen design thread. The designer doesn't think many of these things should matter (master clock, LPS, fiber, etc). I think we are still learning. 

The Tempus looks great. Just pricey. 

Many say the Grimm MU1 is immune to many of the issues these changes try to address. So we might all end up there, also pretty pricey. 

And a new Etherregen is coming, also in that thread. 

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/38968-etherregen-the-long-development-thread-some-gen2-dev-pics-and-update-starting-on-page-92/page/15/#comments

@kstirman 

I beg to differ respectfully on your take with external clock with Etherregen. I used to own Etherregen before moving on to other switches with external master clock option. The external clock feature on an Ethernet switch may sound important, but it’s mostly misunderstood and rarely necessary. 

Ethernet is packet-based and already buffered. “Re-clocking” it before it reaches a streamer doesn’t improve playback timing. Any differences people hear from clocking a switch (atleast the inferior ones) are almost certainly noise-related, not data-related. 

Ethernet doesn’t operate like digital audio clocks. Data is sent in discrete packets, each of which is buffered, error-checked, and reassembled. Packet arrival timing does not equal audio playback timing because your streamer buffers the incoming data and uses its own internal clock in the output stage. In other words, streamer decouples network timing from audio playback timing. 

I’ve tested this extensively with high-end switches fed by a very high-quality master clock, the same clock I currently use with my DAC/Roon player and also used with Aurender N30SA (sold last year). 

In my experience, if you want to clean up noise and simplify your streaming system, an Ethernet switch with optical isolation is by far the most effective solution. Give it a try…you can thank me later 🙂

Yeah, as described, I have fiber between my router and the Etherregen. I have also experimented with different SFP modules, which certainly to my ears have a more subtle effect than cat6a vs fiber. As I said, Ethernet sounds better to me than fiber in some ways. 

I hear you on theory of why an external clock shouldn't sound better. Even if it is a better clock, surely the clock adjacent to the chip would be better than the 75 ohm cable and terminations and distance that comes with an external clock. But it is obviously better with the clock. And maybe that is attributable, as you say, to noise. Certainly other changes have reduced noise. 

Different Linux distributions sound different, Ethernet cables, switches, LPS, and soon. It's maddening!

I would certainly prefer a more simple setup and spending less money. My biases work against where I have arrived so far. 

I tried a few notable examples and I’m not sure they make a difference. Ended up buying the Ether Regen because I thought I heard a difference.  A few months ago I rearranged my kit , forgot to plug ether regen and did not realise it.  A few days later I realised the error.  Adding the Ether regen I found no difference. I tested with and without a few times over multiple days and truly could not hear any difference. Hence I think it is not necessary

I have had the Phoenix NET in my system for several years and the improvement is not subtle.  Most noticeable is a deeper soundstage and more low level detail retrieval.  My system is primarily:

• dCS Bartok APEX
• Innuos Statement
• Innuos PhoenixNet
• Pass Labs xp-22 Preamp
• Pass Labs x150.8 Amp
• VPI Prime; Soundsmith Zephyr MIMIC Cartridge
• VPI Speed Controller
•  Pass Labs xp-15 Phonostage
• Jays Audio CD Transport
• PS Audio P-15 Powerplant

• PS Audio P-12 PowerPlant

• PS Audio Aspen 30 Speakers

• Morrow Audio Grand Reference Cables & Powercords