So, I purchased the Orchard Audio Starkrimson 25 monoblocks with the optional buffer added. I’ve always thought that I was sensitive to the highs and had sensitive hearing. Must have been application because the highs on the 25’s are spectacular. Airy, extends higher than my tube amp and is crystal clear. I’ve never enjoyed cymbals so much. Also, drum strikes are now a new experience. Hearing a snare drum and actual “notes” of the drum. Not just a single thud. I feel like I can tell where the strike is occurring on the cymbal or drum now. Not sure if that’s a class d thing or just a characteristic of the new Orchard amps.
Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?
Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?
I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.
In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:
"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."
"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."
Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828
As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.
One specific question for Audiogon members:
If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?
Here are some criteria I use:
- Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
- High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
- Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
- Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
- Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
- Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
- Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
- Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
- Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
- Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?
If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.
I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.
Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.
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@earthbound same experience here with a custom design GaN amp from Class D Audio in California. |
@hilde45 , I just put my current perceptions, observations and suggestions, without firm conclusions.
Besides the First Watt F7 clone, about two months ago I got an NHB 108 DartZeel Chinese clone, which I have now in my main system. Just plugging in, I was pleasantly surprised by the deep soundstage for an SS amp, perhaps, not worse than that of my EL 34 SET amp. I left it in my main system to break it in, it should have now close to 300 hours. It got much better after about 250 hours of working time. I will return the SET to my main system to carry out more careful composition. It is clear that the clone has a very nice soundstage. In the rest, I am not that sure. I think now that it still lacks mid and high frequencies compared to the SET, the bass can also be that "soft". I will try to post about my findings. I wonder if this $400 clone sounds worse than $7.5K AGDs - I would like to have AGD monoblocks in my system for some time. Besides the two Chinese clones that I recently purchased (they are so cheap that there is nothing to lose) and the SET, I have a few other class A, AB (tube and solid state) and class D amps. Each of them is good in some things and not that good in some other things. As mentioned, I consider the bass and low mid frequencies of F7 clone almost outstanding, not precisely colored, but rather beautiful. But, its hi-midrange and highs, are not that good, there is an obvious lack in them. Though, since my favorite instrument is (acoustic) base, I still enjoy the amp. It is possible that original F7s have no above defect, but it is a bit surprising what happens with the mid-rage when lows are that good (I suggest that the original F7s are still less colored than main line PASS amps, but cannot be sure since I did not audition an original F7 amp). LSA GaN Voyager has much better mids and highs, but low and low-mid frequencies are insufficient and, not much but a bit dry. Again, since Chinese clones are so cheap (except the shipping from China), there is not much to lose. |
@niodari Thanks! |
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