What innovative, unconventional cartridge designs can you recommend?


Most cartridges have a stylus and cantilever where the transducer (magnet, iron or coil) sits on the far end of the cantilever.  What other designs are there?

I am mindful of two designs which put the business end right on top of the stylus.  The first is the moving coil (MC) Audio Technica AT-ART1000 which places two tiny coils, each 0.9-mm diameter, with eight turns of wire directly above the stylus.  Australian price is about AUD-7000 and there apparently is a newer model, slightly less exxe. the ART1000X.  This has square coils for a bit more output, and threaded mounting holes.

A downside is that stylus replacement involves a factory maintenance program and the Australian website page describing this service does not exist.

Another design is optical, exemplified by DS Audio's range.  While these still need a stylus to trace the groove, the signal is produced by reading the intensity of light produced by a Light Emitting Diode (LED) hitting two sensors.  Between the LED and the sensors are two 'shades' mounted above the stylus which change the amount of light as the stylus vibrates.  These cartridges need a special "photo-stage" to replace the conventional phono-stage which is an additional expense.

Australian prices including photo-stages range from AUD-2,150 for the DS-E1 to the DS Master 3 at approximately AUD-40,800, which is a bit outside my price range!  Where is the sweet spot?

What other way-out designs are there?

richardbrand

@richardbrand you will be rediscovering your entire collection now. And the sound will only get better as the cartridge breaks in. I noticed with the Hana the first signs of improvement at around 30hr mark. But it really blossomed at close to 100hrs. 

Thanks for the music recommendation! I will have to listen to that Adrian Boult album on streaming if it’s available. Might get an LP later. 

Only The TOTR DS Audio Cartridge Model is what I have a experience of, from the time of receiving the Demonstration. Resulting in an assessment being made, and not limited to myself only, where for me the TOTR DS Audio Cartridge Model was not making an impression that was enough to pursue the experience any further for my own systems needs. Others present were openly expressing their lack of being impressed, maybe even being kind about how they were disappointed, but what do I know, it was a fun day overall, and the DS Audio Cartridge demonstration was not the entirety of the experiences to be had.

I have shown to others within this Thread an Option for a Energizer that was not being referred to when the Energizer was the common topic in the Thread, this is a a model that I certainly do not favour as I have no direct experience of it in use, therefore I do not purport it has such a quality that it should be valued. The earlier posts within the Thread are with content that is purport from the OP about a Cartridge that is not demonstrated in any system, they speak as authority without any prior experience. The response to " rauliruegas " by the OP shows a realised  experience of their analogue experience attained by the OP. 

I have done enough within this thread, there is plenty to consider if willing or desired by those who are interested in a Cartridge change and have the funds to consider the Electromagnetic Induction Design or a modern Optical Read Cartridge.

I know I have now learnt enough to day I have a Magnet Attraction to a Technology with 50ish years of R&R behind it.

Maybe just Maybe, Jonathan Carr from Lyra, who is openly documented as being an advisor to the Founders of DS Audio prior to first production, has not produced his own version, because his understanding of the Upstream non Linear Issues beyond Stylus > Cantilever and attachment to the Shading Plate would undermine his hard work carried out with the alternate Cartridge technology.

I apologise if this is getting ahead of myself, maybe Mr Carr himself has another view of the Technology used for the Cartridge design. That would be very nice to be introduced to.    

 

 

@audphile1 

That is the very same recording!  Good to see Google still works?

My main dealer really liked the recording when I played it when auditioning the Holbo, with a Kiseki Blue LOMC from memory.  This went to a Musical Fidelity digital phono stage to a McIntosh amp and B&W speakers.  The closest they could get to my Krell / KEF set up.  Full marks for trying but way off the mark.

By the way, my cartridge has a blue LED so it pairs well with the revolutionary blue LEDs Krell introduced decades ago. Reminds me of one of Gerard Hoffnung's debates at the Oxford Union where he gave the following friendly advice to American tourists

All London brothels display a blue lamp outside

Available on CD, as are his Festival Hall concerts.

@pindac 

the interest shown is from somebody having a roll of the dice on their next move for enabling a Vinyl Replay to occur in their system

I resemble that remark.  While I am proud to be an adopted Aussie most of the time, I regret that they are the biggest gamblers in the world, bar none.  I only gamble if I know the dice are loaded, whereas most Aussie will gamble on two flies crawling on a wall.

The biggest risk I took was buying the just-released SoulNote E-1  Ver2 Equalizer recommended by the DS Audio distributor.

I now find myself in the strange position of having everything I need to run a LOMC cartridge fully balanced through the SoulNote to my main power amplifier.  Everything except the cartridge.  Just a push of a button on the SoulNote to swap optical and LOMC, with a 5-second mute.