What improvements would I get with a "better" preamp?


Current preamp is Mapletree Audio 2A/SE Linestage, upgraded with Black Gate caps. Tube rectified separate power supply. 6SN7 per channel. Point-to-point wired. What could be better (for less than $5,000) and why? Must have RCA ins/outs, not XLR.

rockadanny

@billpete Tubes are NOS 6SN7 Tung-Sol grey T plates; separate power supply with NOS Raytheon JAN-CRP 6X5WGT rectifier. I think my system sounds good with the Mapletree preamp as is. No complaints from me. It’s just that the last two people I’ve had over for a listen, when I asked them, "What would you do to improve the sound", they both said they’d upgrade to a better preamp. So I am just curious what type of improvements would a "better" preamp get me, and possible suggestions as to which preamps would provide.

"@rockadanny  -  It’s just that the last two people I’ve had over for a listen, when I asked them, "What would you do to improve the sound", they both said they’d upgrade to a better preamp."

Can you share more - what was the basis for their comments?   Based on what, exactly?

I glanced over your linestage/preamp and almost asked early on what is wrong with what you have now? [you already indicated it sounds good, so what is it really]

Are these stop-in folks possibly confused by the minimalist appearance, or possibly not aware some of the best sounding boutique custom designer/builder gear is minus the "bling"? Have they tried your preamp in their systems to provide a more informed opinion, based on some type of A/B comparison?  Share more if you can.

@rockadanny Thanks for the reply. If those Tung Sols are the new Russian versions (which I'm betting they are), then you can do a lot better. They may be OK and sound fine but if I were you, I would absolutely try to roll in some 40's or 50's vintage tubes. Tung Sol black glass VT231 are maybe the most notable but have gotten pretty pricey. VT231 is the military version of 6SN7. I have Ken Rad black glass VT231 and they are some of my favorites. I also have Sylvania and RCA VT231's and all are very good, even excellent. The civilian versions were 6SN7GT and in particular, some of the Sylvanias of this designation are the same as the military version and are excellent, many sold as Bad Boys. The later versions became 6SN7GTA and later GTB and some of these are not bad but SQ has gone down somewhat from the GT's and VT231.s, This would be all old US made tubes. There are good versions from Europe as well but I am less familiar with them. 

I have some Electro Harmonix Goldl Pin 6SN7 (Russian) tubes that probably compare to your Tung Sols. They are not bad and I have no problem using them in the buffer position but they probably compare more with the later GTA and GTB tubes, which is to say OK, not bad but just not great. It is common for tube component makers to include these modern inexpensive tubes but I don't know of anyone who doesn't roll in some vintage tubes to bring their gear to life. 

6SN7 tubes are made in USA, one marked as such,  the other in NJ.

The reason for my post is to find out what more substantial preamps would bring to the table vs. my Mapletree. Hoping an ex-Mapletree user would chime in. Or just anyone may comment. This preamp cost me new < $900, but it seems well done,  and besides,  NOS 6SN7 tubes are used so I expect it to sound good. Just curious what I might be missing,  if anything, with a much more expensive piece. 

I imagine what you're looking for is the naturalness of the 6SN7 with maybe a bit more robustness and elegance than the 2A SE is capable of.  I would look at the Tubes4HiFi SP14.  It employs 4 6SN7s in an "Aikido" topology, which is a very popular noise-cancelling circuit developed by John Broskie of TubeCad.  It maintains the ease of the 6SN7 but offers a richer, deeper tone and blacker background.  It's what I use (in my own DIY version) and I never get tired of it.  You could also look for a used Don Sachs version of the SP14.  He souped them up a bit with premium parts and some modifications and better cosmetics.  A terrific preamp.