Do I need an expensive digital cable?


I have been using a fairly inexpensive optical cable to connect my CD transport to my Moon 280D streamer. I was told that an SPDIFcoax cable would sound better. For an experiment I purchased an inexpensive Pangea coax cable. It didn't sound at all because its terminator ends did not fit snugly in my equipment. I consulted chatgbt who often gives me audio advice. It advised that for the short run of 1 meter, an RCA interconnect would work. It did. And sounded much better than the optical. Chatgbt said that RCA interconnect was good enough.

Now, there is a twist to this story that might make those doubters think twice. A digital cable carries packets of information that are rechecked to assure that the streamer is recieving correct information. There is the timing concern, though. But my Moon 280D has an asynchronous DAC with a clock as part of the DAC. Any information sent by my transport, whether it is clocked by the transport or not, will go through the Moon's asynchronous DAC's clock. So ;there shouldn't be a timing problem. Should there?

Can anyone make a case that I should buy a "better" coax cable?

audio-b-dog

@audphile1 

The Moon 280D does have an ESS DAC, but I don't think of it as lean. I find it a bit on the tubey side. Although I did hear it streaming a bit lean on some Debussy piano music I listened to,

I think what makes the Moon 280D "punch above its weight" is that although it uses an early ESS chip, the analogue software is the same as high-end Moon streamers. Anyway, I'm quite satisfied with it, and I won't be buying anything better unless I get another large inheritance, like the one that enabled me to purchase the Sonus Faber speakers and Moon 280D, which was kind of an add on because I was only supposed to be buying speakers. 

I am listening to an old recording of Frinec Fricsay and the pianist Geza Anda play Brahms' Second Piano Concerto. It sounds great through the ESS DAC. Again, I think it's what happens after the DAC that makes the Moon 280D sound good. And whatever I own sounds better than anything else. Remember the song "Love the one you're with."

@erniesch 

Having studied about networks when I worked in the computer industry, I argued exactly what you're arguing about network packets being checked, so all network packets are the same no matter what cable you use. I also made the argument that my DAC was asynchronous and reclocked the signal. I argued that as long as I could hear the music, a 50 ohm interconnect would work as well as a 75 ohm digital cable. If the packets were getting through then they were being error correcxted.

To test my theory I bought a $14 digital cable and a $249 digital cable. The $249 digital cable won, at least by my ears. The interconnect caused bad jitter. The $14 cable was much closer to the $249 cable, but the $249 cable was the best.

Why? It has much better shielding and its wiring is more complex? I don't know. But I do know that my bias was for all the cables to sound the same. That would have been my bet based on the networking theory that I knew. Anyway, the $14 cable is available to anyone who wants it.

@audphile1 

With chip DACs your working within the limitations of the chip. There’s a reason why ESS based Bluesound is limited to DSD256

Not in the example i quoted.  The ESS chips handle DSD1024 natively, see ES9039Q2M Datasheet. The limitation is with the Bluesound designers.

I am particularly sensitive to DSD being down-sampled.  My Reavon universal disk player sounded excellent on any disk source except SACD.  It was obvious to me after a few seconds play.  I checked the data sheets of the Burr Brown dacs and they did not mention DSD.  I emailed Reavon and discovered they down-sampled DSD to CD quality.  The machine is just fine as a transport, outputting DSD over HDMI, but I wasted a grand on two useless dacs.

@richardbrand 

I'll have to admit that you'll have to explain Bluesound to me. I do know, though, that the ESS chip in my Moon 280D handles both DSD and MQA. i have spent a bit of time comparing the same album on Tidal and Qobuz. Tidal seems a bit more "musical," i.e. laid back and relaxed. Qobuz has a more discrete sound in which attacks are better emphasized. There are a lot of othe differences I won't go into here.

My point being that I can hear the difference between DSD and MQA through the Moon 280D. As for my transport, I play SACD and DVDA straight into my preamp, using the Burr Brown chip. I remember the review in which John Atkinson said he did not hear a great difference between the regular CD function and the hi rez function on the Burr Brown chip in the McCormack UDP-1. I think he was right, although I can hear a much higher quality on some hi rez disks.

@richardbrand 

My 4 door sedan is capable of reaching a speed of 155mph. But it will perform much worse than a new porsche 911 turbo S at that speed. And that’s why it’s capped at 130mph (not that I ever drive that fast in case we have some LEO reading this)
That type of limitation is what I was referring to. So the designers made a most likely the best choice within the given architecture/platform.