12AU7 and 12AX7 long black plates vs short black plates. Any difference ?


Also, matte plates vs glossy plates ?

All tubes from 1950s. I am especially interested in Sylvania.

What is your experience ?

inna

I agree that Joe's Tube Lore is loaded with good information. I bought a lot of Sylvania tubes from the 50's and 60's, mostly 5751's and mostly gold brand gold pins. I prefer 3 micas vs 2 and longer plates do seem to be better as well, especially in Amperex BB. 

Thank you. I'll take a look. I currently have long matte black plates Sylvania 12AU7. Seems impossible to find them truly NOS, especially matched.

Short plates and uncoated gray plates are indicators of the general trend towards cost cutting. In the span of a decade or 2, focus shifted hard from making the "best" quality tubes, to simply making them cheaper.

Some of these changes you can see via less materials and simpler construction: e.g. from welded to stapled plates in EL34; no more 5751 triple micas or retaining "clips" securing the plates to micas, no more massive "mirror" flashing on Sylvanias, loss of copper grid posts and heat sinking pieces. Some you probably can’t see (chemistry, metallurgy).

If you compare Mullard short plate 12AX7 to long plates from just a few years before, the long plates should sound a little more open, holographic, and articulate. The short plates just sound warm & thick, which is sometimes all you need from Mullard I guess. If you go a bit further back you’ll find long plates with the D / square getters which are even more revered.

Short plates can sound great but I think often if you can compare to the comparable long plates from just a few years earlier, you’ll prefer the latter. Bigger plates can mean more microphony too, though. The way these things are suspended in the glass envelope makes them a vibration antenna, and the mica spacers have to retain a tight grip over all these years & heat/cool cycles. 

mulveling, thank you. No short plates, no grey plates for me. 12AX7 long narrow plates Mullard that I have in line amp sound great, I have no intention to use anything else there. By the way, these Mullards don't sound thick or slow and they are not excessively warm.

Still, what about matte vs glossy long black plates ?

i just did a review about five different 12ax7a's that might be informative: Amperex Bugle Boy, Mullard short plate, GE short gray plate, Raytheon shiny black plate, Telefunken ribbed plate. i didn't include a Sylvania in the comparison because the only one i have is mostly used up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRxlj48ctk&t=194s