Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?


Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?

I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.

In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:

"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."

"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."

Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828

As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.

One specific question for Audiogon members:

If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?

Here are some criteria I use:

  1. Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
  2. High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
  3. Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
  4. Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
  5. Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
  6. Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
  7. Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
  8. Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
  9. Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
  10. Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?

If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.

I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.

Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.

hilde45

To @hilde45 how much would results change for those who listen at lower 70-75 DB levels?

Something I do regularly late at night some times, while different amplifiers in my system react quite differently. Also a deciding factor in which amps I purchase. I've read comments by other members on Agon and elsewhere doing the same, btw. 

you think you would please even the grumpiest, meanest readers with your review @hilde45 but not even close! I want to hear what female vocals sounded like, that's my obsession, how they filled the room, touched you, moved your soul. 

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@parkergetdean 

Your question about female vocals is a critical one! Totally agree with you, there. I would say they were fully present, realistic, and clear. Compared to my Pass XA-25 or tube amps, I'd say they did not move my soul. That said -- I'm going to compare the Pass and the AGD next and I'll push your question to the front of the line!

@decooney 

I need to test the lower 70-75 db level question to be sure, but these amps have such grunt that they get things up and moving pretty quickly. Your question is, I take it, how they sound and what kind of tonal balance do they achieve at lower levelsl. I'll listen for that.

 

sweet! One of my tests is Joanie Sommers One Boy, she goes so high, many amps just choke

Pass XA-25 vs. AGD Audion III Monoblocks

  • Listened at 83.8 db C weighting (baseline @ 250 hz test signal)
  • Classical (Ives, Goldberg variations), vocal jazz (Armstrong/Fitzgerald, Jacintha), Rock (Steely Dan), Ambient (Eno).

A bit more informal of a report.

Observations: 

About fatigue:

For any track where AGD bordered on “possibly fatiguing” or “almost strident” (because it stopped short of those adjectives), the Pass was not close to fatiguing or strident. The Pass is always listenable, natural, “putting music in the room with you.” 

Coherence of complex passages:

In many cases both amps were “coherent” -- that is, they delivered an integrated musical picture. 
In some cases, the AGD was a little more scattered -- probably the result of being able to deliver every possible detail. But that detail sometimes meant hearing an instrument in the background rather than not really hearing it. I like to hear every note of every instrument. Sometimes the extra detail is the key to this, but the flip side is sometimes overexposure or fatigue or even lack of proper hierarchy of orchestration.

Sound stage: 

Sound stage on both were just great.

Tonality:

Pass delivered superior tonality for saxophone and vocals; vocals were sultry and human. 
Both did piano very well; hard to really pick a better with that one track.

Will repeat this test and also try them both on my Fritz Carbon 7 speakers to see if they perform differently or show different strengths and weaknesses.

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