Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?


Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?

I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.

In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:

"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."

"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."

Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828

As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.

One specific question for Audiogon members:

If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?

Here are some criteria I use:

  1. Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
  2. High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
  3. Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
  4. Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
  5. Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
  6. Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
  7. Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
  8. Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
  9. Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
  10. Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?

If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.

I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.

Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.

hilde45

I dont need A.I. to know by experience that class D is a vast improvement...

I only use low cost class D with Edifier speakers:

Why most class D   must sound as described by someone here :

Most Class D: Sterility, brittle, thin sounding/lack of body, fatigue inducing

 But some dont sound like that, and it must be relative to design implementation for sure...

Someone added :

Some GaN class D: sterility is tamed, less fatiguing, lack of body persists 

I believe it for sure... Design implementation matter and i dont claim that my low class D Edifier  beat or even rival   some GaN class D , i am no fool...smiley

 

 But now, why my low cost class D sound so good to my ears, not fatiguing, tamed especially without this evident  lack of body as it  the case was when i received it  ?

It is because not only design implementation matter , but optimization of the four working dimensions matter as much if not even more...

All is relative, i dont claim my system is top, i claim optimization matter so much a low cost class D can be enjoyable...it is why it is a revolution not only in high end gear market but in the low cost market if you know how to do basics,...

 

Now when i will win loto i will buy a costly system, but i am happy and in no urge or need now in the incoming crisis...Optimization is key...not just price and design implementation.

 

«My wife is not optimized»--Groucho Marx cool

 

@deep_333 Your post has no merit whatsoever and adds absolutely nothing to the conversation.  It is really a shame that you cannot be challenged in this venue via a double blind test to demonstrate what you claim to hear.  A test, which you would almost assuredly utterly fail.  If you have nothing positive to offer, please stay silent.   

I have been wondering about this for a while, what does " Blooming Bass" mean?

I prefer electrical  "treeing" of high frequencies...wink A metaphor relating to Lichtenberg figures...

It is more difficult to get it right in room /speakers and in headphones alike than "blooming bass"  ...

I have been wondering about this for a while, what does " Blooming Bass" mean?

Again, if Ralph is right – that there is no one "sound" for Class D amps – then we are best off not calling it "the Class D sound" and, as above, assigning different tonal categories to different class D amps.

+1 - one can make general statements of how the classes sound and differ from each other, but each component has a unique sonic signature.

I run both a Class A and a Class AB systems. Very tempted to try First Watt and GanFet.