Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?


Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?

I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.

In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:

"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."

"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."

Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828

As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.

One specific question for Audiogon members:

If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?

Here are some criteria I use:

  1. Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
  2. High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
  3. Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
  4. Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
  5. Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
  6. Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
  7. Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
  8. Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
  9. Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
  10. Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?

If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.

I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.

Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.

hilde45

@hilde45  M23’s tonal character may be level-sensitive, which would be a meaningful variable to isolate in future sessions

A really good point to note. Each of us may prefer to listen at different volume levels. Some amps sound better than others at LOW volume levels, and at the same time, the same amp can also sound fatiguing at LOUDer volume levels.  

To anyone following: I now have the AGD Audion Mk. III in the house. It is being compared with the NAD M23 and the Pass XA-25. The Hypex which was part of this comparison is out of the loop. (Eliminated!)

Reflections coming.

@decooney 

I've done a few tests where everything was played louder and softer. Great point.

@hilde45 - I’m looking forward to your observations on the AGD Audion MKiii and the other amps. I have heard great things about that Pass amp… I’d love to hear it at some point. 

For whatever it’s worth, I did feel they took a few days to settle in my system. I asked ChatGPT if there would be a legitimate reason a class d amp would need time to adjust to my system and it did provide a legit (at least it felt so to this non engineer) explanation. Of course it also reminded me that my perception of the sound was changing over time, which I heartily agree with.

It was really after a week where I felt comfortable comparing the Audions (paired with the spectacular LTA premap) to my Luxman class a solid state and CJ and Qualiton tube amps. 

 

 

why would you ask chatGPT that question? How would it know? There is simply not enough info out there for it to train for any non-BS, intelligent answer.  

@parkergetdean - Are you using AI for work everyday? I have worked in technology my entire career and have found this new phase of technological evolution to be the fastest and most disruptive yet. I really only started to adopt it for my personal life once I had to use it daily…

ChatGPT actually had a pretty coherent explanation. I’m not an electrical engineer, so maybe it was totally bogus. But these tools are synthesizing information from vast stores of data, so more often than not the responses are in the ball park. I’m always looking for obvious hallucinations and inaccuracies, but these machine learning tools are getting better by the day.