So when is a SUT really needed?


Hey,

So, I been in this audiophile world for about 6 or 7 years now, at least that is when I bought a bit more serious equipment. Before that I had some stuff but wasn't that serious about it.

Still consider myself a newbie but have gained much more knowledge about this hobby compared to before.

But there is one piece of equipment that I hear about all the time but didn't really take a look at it before.

I am referring to the Step Up Transformer.

Just recently I started to read more about it and watch YT videos on it.

I also googled the purpose but it's just technical jargon and I rather get feedback from real people and users.

So, my understanding is that a SUT is used to control a MC Cart and it would work between the TT and Phono Amp connecting to the MM inputs (is that correct)?

But if you already have a Phono Preamp with MC adjustments, do you still need a SUT or is it used more in the situation where you may only have a MM preamp and want to use MC Carts?

Also, are all SUT's passive equipment, meaning they do not utilize a power plug or are there some that do?

Would there be reasons to use a SUT if you already have a good phono preamp with all the same adjustment options?

Thanks

jay73

OP

short answer to your question, do you need a SUT if you have a good enough phono preamp, and I answer would be No. your good enough preamp should be good enough. 

for me, having a SUT means you know what you are doing with it. certain SUT works well with certain cartridges and others may be a wash. I have a Bobs SUT, and I have a Para sound Jc3+ as my Phono stage. When I was using the Hana Blue, this SUT shined, but the moment I switched to Songbird, it was a wash. like it did nothing to the sound. both the Songbird and Hana Blue are MC

so not all SUT will be an effective requirement if using a MC cart

 

YMMV

 

@lewm 

"Meantime, don’t you think this argument is off topic?"

Let's get back to SUTs then!

@intactaudio The quote used suggests the condition being referred to is Linear, as the Author of the quote states their is the option to calculate out the opposing motion caused by electrical to mechanical conversion.

There is a known equation usable to negate this condition as being an impediment.

Does this mean all materials selected for the design for the Cart'. Where selected parts are intended to be enablers for a conversion of Mechanical energy to electrical energy are to remain optimised for their role, through undertaking such equations as referred to by the author of the quote? Hence up to the point an electrical signal is sent, a Cart' is totally predictable through the equations undertaken and attention to the accuracy of the assembly.

If the above is correct, does not the ancillaries such as a SUT - Head Amp - Phonostage benefit from this. Is it not the consistency and accuracies produced for  the Cartridge's Function prior to conversion, resulting in electrical energy sent, that is the optimal condition present for the added Gain and reverse RIAA conversion occurring to the sent signal by said ancillaries. 

       

The confusion is old: ''contradictio in terminis''. Logic is not abut ''terminis'' or 

expressions  but about statements which can be true or fals (tertum non datur)

but more important is the relation between assumtions or premise with deduction

from them. because from fals assumptions no true atatement  can follow.

What than are ''opinions''? 

 

Than there are the prices. Anyway relevant for our young members.

Luxman EQ 500 cost in Europe 7000 euro. But one can get one MM phono-pre

for say, 1000 $ and Ikeda's FR 1 (3 Ohm) and FR 2 (20 Ohms) or FR 3  with 40 Ohms  for also about 1000$ . BTW  FR 1 got Japanes first (omponent) price so this is only  2000 $. So I agree with Faustuss that Luxman EQ 500 is overpriced.