Why in some instances does changing streamers makes a bigger difference?


Or, I should say, sometimes a better streamer can make a positive difference. I read about this YouTube video in another thread on Agon and felt it was consequential enough to deserve a separate consideration here.

https://youtu.be/k-nCEoRWHZ4?si=EB-YW-ZlwBC_cNQL

I found this perspective helpful in trying to explain both my limited experience with streamers, and more generally why things like cable changes and power management can be so important in digital music reproduction well beyond 1s and 0s.

Your thoughts and comments invited.

kn

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@retiredaudioguy 

Take my 2 cents FWIW haha

I would watch the used market and pick up an Aurender W20/W20SE/N20 streamer for a good price that can easily be resold and test in your system.  With a world class DAC like you have, what IF it does shine?

Also, not sure if you have looked any upgrades to your Monster 3600 but I used to have a 2500 and got a used Shunyata Triton V1 that made a significant difference.  I had tried a demo Shunyata Eiger that was better but I wasn't ready to pay the difference at the time($1300 vs $4000).  Since the Everest X has come out, there are some nice deals on the OG Everest.

Happy Listening!

Thanks for your thoughts.

The problem with Aurender is that they do not support Presto, the streaming service that I use 90% of the time.

Even on the used market an N20 seems to fetch $8k.  I am contemplating upgrading my TT and getting a CJ 62SE so ...

I have wondered about a voltage stabilized power conditioner, I think my power is quiet, I am the only house on the transformer,  but there are days when the voltage is down.  I think that would make a difference.

Given the architecture of the DAC I think that gains from changing the T8 would be marginal.  I had a lesser Aurender that I used for its SSD and I have played games like cheapo USB cables and nothing seems to change the K-01XDSE's sound - as long as I stick to the USB.  A stated aim in their USB design is isolation from upstream issues.  I truly appreciate your thoughts.

I have wondered about a voltage stabilized power conditioner, I think my power is quiet, I am the only house on the transformer,  but there are days when the voltage is down.  I think that would make a difference.

@retiredaudioguy 

I think there is more to power conditioning than removing DC or other noise coming from the wall, and it is related to the main concept of the video link in my original post.  Analog circuits and signals are susceptible to noise.  Whether the noise is generated in your DAC, produced in another component, like an inexpensive streamer, a switching power supply, or coming from adjacent cables, especially power cables, it can affect the signal that eventually reaches your transducers and your ears.

A good power conditioner can, not only clean up DC and other noise in your supply from the wall, but it can help keep noise generated back into your power distribution from other components plugged into it.  Depending on how much noise is entering your home via supply from the street and how much noise your gear is feeding back into the distributor directly from the component or indirectly from EMI in adjacent cables, a good power conditioner can create a quieter background.  It may seem obvious that better gear with more sophisticated power supplies would be immune to this benefit, but some people with very high quality electronics report benefits from adding a good power conditioner.

YMMV

kn

I just stumbled across Analoghlic a couple of weeks ago and I have watched several of his videos.  Easy to understand and he’s not selling anything.

Different streaming software/programs can make a huge difference for sure!

Regarding the hardware used, I believe a well-engineered device, of which there are many at various price points, running good quality streaming software properly, should outperform a device that is not for some reason, and that some more niche products may offer a unique house sound that appeals to some enough to justify the cost, but that’s about as far as I would go.  

With good streaming software, like Roon or Qobuz,, any common household computer, tablet or smart phone can be a formidable competitor by simply using an asynchronous USB connection to a good quality external DAC.