Denon X4800H bi-amped power on pop
Several months ago I got an X4800H to replace an aging X4200W.
I was very happy with it and all was well until I decided to bi-amp the main speakers.
This is using the pre-set configuration option of 5.1 (bi-amp) + zone 2. I am not using zone 2.
There was no power on pop with I was only doing 5.1 without bi-amp and without zone 2.
The pop is not loud and sometimes doesn't happen. I am guessing the pop only is happening when the amp is cold. If I shut it down and then power it on again after running for long enough to get warm/hot, it sometimes/often doesn't happen at power on power.
Please note this is pop heard coming from the main speakers not the click inside the amp.
My google-fu has not turn up anything and I am not a participant in any Denon forums.
On the X4800H, since the main front left/right speaker output and pre-outs are all active, does this mean it's possible to bi-amp using these?
If I connect the main front left/right to the high frequency on the speakers and then the pre-outs to a pair of Fosi V3 mono blocks which would feed the low frequency on the speakers? |
Yes, you can bypass its internal configuration assignment in this manner. For hifi purposes, you should eventually move away from the AVR and get a purpose designed preamp processor, i.e., it will have no internal amp sections. You connect the pre-outputs of such a processor into external amps or a beefy multichannel power amp. Even a flagship AVR is only good for hometheater, movies. For music, you will need a dedicated processor and separate amps and correctly gainstage everything. It is never a good idea to shove all those power amp sections into the same chassis. For example, this marantz would be a good fit. Or here’s a refurbished unit for a bit cheaper. This older Rotel, for example would be a good barebones processor as well, with a focus on sound quality for around a 1000 bucks. https://www.ebay.com/itm/336398263929
@travelinjack wrote
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I believe the problem is that the preamp in the Denon is not fully powered when the amplifier speaker relay turns on allowing a transient to the speakers. The same is happening on power down. The power amplifier needs to be the last on and first off in the power sequence. Not an easy problem to solve with an all in one unit. Maybe you can use a separate output relay for the drivers? |
Just stop. You’re obsessing over bi-amping and all you’re doing is polishing the turd here — the turd being your AVR that is a huge bottleneck and you should be looking to remove it from 2-channel period and not trying to employ parts of it somehow. Get an integrated amp and you’ll be completely eliminating the Denon from the signal path for stereo, which is what you want if you really care about better sound. The rest of this is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Sorry to be harsh here, but both the preamp and amp sections of your AVR are garbage (as they are with most AVRs) so trying to salvage part of it in any way is just fighting a losing battle so better to just cut out the middle man. |
