$2000 Dac


I have kept my eyes on the Dac comparisons. What I'd like to know is what Dac can I buy new or used for under $2000? I am looking for examples that don't throw the voices so far in front. Yes, I like the detail. I am coming from a Luxman dac that was very good, but I just felt the voices were too close, often pianos felt the same. Sometimes almost feeling a little glare as well. So, I am searching for a detailed dac with a little more laid back mids for under 2 grand, new or used. thanks

dpm2340

 

@lanx0003,

This was not the case when I connect micro DAC directly into my amp.  The SS remains wide, tall and deep with pin-point image.  Good luck on your journey with new DAC.  It might have the right synergy with your gears that you are looking for. Keep us posted.  

Again, thank for your comments as I would have never even considered not using a preamplifier if for not reading your thinking out of the box posts here. I think you are saying that with your rig, without a preamp, the sound produced was better than when your µDac was being used with a preamp? If so, may I ask what preamp(s) you were using before you forgoed it/them? And what SS amp(s) are you using? And how was the imaging, dynamics, detail and is it a smooth, musical, with great separation of sound? Or is the soundstage dry without a preamp?  And how did you work around not having a volume control as not for the sound to be extremely loud or even to soft? My power amp is a Clayton S-100 SE and is a beast of an amp.

I postulated this question to GOOGLE AI as I don’t like chatgbt:

How does the laiv harmony μdac sound when directly connected to a power amplifier? Does it produce a better sound than going through a preamp while also playing through passive speakers? What are the pro and cons?

And this is what I got:

 

The LAiV Harmony µDAC, when directly connected to a power amplifier, is described as having a clean, dynamic, and natural, analog-like sound that lacks digital glare or fatigue. It is highly regarded for its ability to produce a "full-bodied" and "holographic" soundstage, often compared to much more expensive DACs. Its Class A output stage is designed to provide a consistent, stable output impedance, making it suitable for direct-to-power-amp applications. 

Does it sound better than going through a dedicated preamplifier?
Whether it sounds "better" is subjective, but it is a very strong contender for direct-to-amp setups. The low-impedance output make it a capable preamplifier replacement. 

Pros and Cons of Direct Connection to Power Amp:

  • Pros:
    • Excellent Detail & Dynamics: Highly detailed, smooth, and musical, with great separation.
    • Natural Sound: R2R ladder technology provides an analog-like, non-fatiguing presentation.
    • Versatile Output Stage: The Class A buffer allows for good compatibility with power amplifiers.
    • NOS/OS Options: Features both Non-Oversampling (NOS) for a more organic sound and Oversampling (OS) for more detail.
    • Value: It is often described as offering performance far exceeding its $994 price point.
  • Cons:
    • Limited Input/Output: Only has XLR balanced outputs, requiring adapters for RCA-only power amps.
    • UI Navigation: Some users find the interface navigation a bit challenging.
    • No Analog Inputs: You lose the ability to connect analog sources (e.g., turntable) that a traditional preamp provides. 

Conclusion:
Using the LAiV Harmony µDAC directly into a power amplifier is a fantastic way to achieve a minimalist, high-fidelity system, especially if you prioritize transparency and imaging. It often outperforms or matches more expensive, dedicated preamps in terms of clarity and detail, making it a "giant killer" in that regard. 

Then, I asked the same question but a little differently.

How does the laiv harmony μdac sound when directly connected to a power amplifier? Does it produce a better sound than going through a preamp while also playing through passive speakers? What are the pro and cons?

And this is what I got:

As of 2026, whether the 

LAiV Harmony μDAC

sounds better directly connected to a power amplifier depends significantly on your specific equipment. While it offers a transparent, high-resolution path, technical limitations may make a dedicated preamp preferable for many passive speaker setups. 

Direct Connection Performance

  • Resolution and Clarity: Connecting the μDAC directly to a power amp can provide superior resolution and a more dynamic, "less digital" sound by removing extra circuitry.
  • Buffer Advantage: Unlike the larger Harmony DAC, the μDAC includes a discrete Class A buffered output stage. This provides lower output impedance and better signal integrity, making it more suitable for driving power amplifiers directly than many other R2R DACs.
  • Sound Characteristics: Listeners describe the sound as clean, organic, and holographic, with excellent imaging. 

The "Better Sound" Debate

Whether it sounds "better" than using a preamp is subjective:

  • Direct to Amp: Often results in a more "transparent" and "uncolored" signal.
  • With Preamp: Many users find that a high-quality preamp adds "magic," making the music feel more open, engaging, and less "flat" or "lifeless".  A preamp can also provide better impedance matching for specific amplifiers that the μDAC’s internal buffer might still struggle with. 

Pros and Cons

Feature  Pros Cons
Direct Connection Purity: Shortest signal path with minimal coloration.
Cost-Effective: Saves the expense of an external preamp.
Buffer: Class A output stage ensures stable impedance.
No Volume Control: The μDAC lacks internal volume control, meaning you must use digital attenuation (e.g., from your streamer), which can reduce bit-depth/resolution at low volumes.
Output Limits: Only offers balanced XLR outputs; no RCA.
Using a Preamp Engagement: Can add "meat," richness, and a more expansive soundstage.
Connectivity: Allows for additional analog sources and RCA connectivity.
Analog Volume: Preserves full bit-depth at all volume levels.
Coloration: Adds extra components and cables that may slightly "blur" the ultimate resolution.
Extra Cost: Quality preamps often cost as much as or more than the DAC itself.

Recommendation: If your source (streamer/PC) has high-quality digital volume control and your amp has XLR inputs, try a direct connection first for maximum transparency. However, if the sound feels "thin" or "small," adding an active preamp may provide the necessary drive to fill out the soundstage for your passive speakers

 

 

 

Will DAC always sound better going straight into a Power Amplifier? Audiogon

Do DACs benefit from preamps? - Paul McGowan, PS Audio

I think there is too many different factors implied to create a universal rule for all case...

@mahgister, I think I'm finally figuring that out. It depends, on the gear in your rig. Thanks 

I think there is too many different factors implied to create a universal rule for all case...

Myself i gain great S.Q. improvement from my class D active speakers+sub with a tube-preamp and E.Q. Douk T8 pro, perfect for a low cost system...

 

i conclude from this video where McGowan say  "stay away from low cost pre-amp if you dont have the budget " that my low cost Douk  tube +EQ pre-amp must be very good costing peanuts... ( McGowan is a seller and i imagine he could not recommend cheap Chinese pre-amp like Douk T8 pro )

Just my low cost class D amplification inside the Edifier speakers and my Nos dac SPS  with no volume control cannot give me the control over S.Q. and soundstage i have now ...

Do DACs benefit from preamps? - Paul McGowan, PS Audio

Then i will say after McGowan stay away from bad pre-amp... All low cost one are not bad ... For sure i use it for my low cost system... For a high end system i will use high end pre-amp ( Probably a Berning tube pre-amp ) ...