The argument against upgrading


I’ve always assumed upgrading hifi can be worthwhile provided there is some audible improvement in sound quality. Maybe, this assumption should be challenged.

Let’s suppose I make some change to my system. I make a meaningful comparison that proves it sounds better in some way.

Before making the change, I was already able to get into and enjoy certain recordings. Surely, I can’t get into these recordings any more than that. It’s an either or thing not a matter of degree.

So what does the upgrade actually do for me in practice? I fear that more often than not it may be absolutely nothing.

I am not arguing that there is no better. Just that incrementally better may not necessarily always translate into more musical enjoyment.

I suppose this all begs the question what I actually mean by better.

What’s your view on the benefits of upgrading? How can we reliably assess whether it is effective?

newton_john

@newton_john asked an important question which, IMHO, no one has really even addressed here. It's the perennial question facing the audiophile: is one in it for the music, or for the thrill of the reproduction? For the music, or for the kit? newton_john says that he can "get into and enjoy certain recordings" even "before making the change" (of equipment) and that, even if the change "provided...some audible improvement in sound quality," nevertheless, he "can't get into the recordings more than that"—that is, more than he did prior to the change.

Now, I hope this isn't quite true. Isn't the whole point of "improving sound quality" for the sake of "getting into the music more"? But I nevertheless see his point, as I suppose we all do. There are certain pieces of music I've loved all my adult life. I first heard them on equipment vastly inferior in sound quality to what I have now. But can I say that I can now "get into" those favorite pieces better, more fully, than I ever have? Certainly not! Getting really involved in the music is a complicated thing; it involves far more than the equipment and the room acoustics. Most importantly, it involves one's own mind at the moment. But it also depends on how important music is for you in that particular time of your life, who you may be sharing it with, how much you already know about the music that what you're listening to developed from, how susceptible to musical enjoyment you are at the moment, how young your ears are (face it: we old guys have lost a lot more in hearing than our audio systems can compensate for!), and many other factors. 

So, get over it: we chase "the absolute sound" NOT for the sake of the music, but for the sake of the thrill of the sound itself: for the thrill of being able to convincingly reproduce a symphony orchestra (for example) in our own living rooms. That's fine. It's a lot like the thrill of owning a performance vehicle whose capabilities one will never really test, being too old, or not a trained driver. Again, that's OK. 

Upgradeitis is a matter of loving the equipment for the sound it can produce. Music is the main source of entertaining or engaging sound, so we mostly listen to music on that equipment. But love of music is not what audiophilia is about. I know a lot of audiophiles and a lot of musicians. There is a very small overlap between these populations.

BTW, congrats to @mahgister for finally using ChatGPT, or whatever program he must have used, to clean up the prose in (most of) his first post here.

This post goes to the heart of our hobby.

How good must a system be to enjoy the music?  
If you’re not going to upgrade, are you still really a hobbyist?  
Does not upgrading eliminate you?   
Are you now just a music lover?

 

I stopped calling it "upgrade" years ago. It's just changing and tweaking in search of specific details. Sometimes I realize I just downgraded in nearly every sense and I have to start from scratch.

I've been happy with all my recent upgrades - both upward and lateral changes...adding a second sub sounds great and was well worth the cost - does it get me closer to the music - not a clue...

Not unusual for upgrades to end up being "lateral moves" as discussed by @oddiofyl.  It can be frustrating to keep trying new stuff and not hear the sound you imagine you should be hearing.  You end up hoping the "grass is greener" as posted by @kennyc.  The more you upgrade, the harder it is to find something better and not simply different, IME.  It is like stepping half the distance to the wall, the closer you get, the smaller the steps. I used to sell one component to fund the "upgraded" component but more recently have been fortunate to be able to purchase the upgraded component first, and compare with whatever I have currently, and only after a direct comparison decide whether the new component is a worthwhile upgrade.

When comparing equipment, the level-matching discussed by @tomic601, is hugely important.  Also, I recently found the importance of making comparisons over as short a time window as possible.  By setting things up to compare two DACs on-the-fly, with the push of one button on my remote, I determined the sonic differences were not as pronounced as I had formerly believed.  You may find that the longer the time period between hearing two different components, the greater the likelihood that your predisposed biases will play a larger role in what you believe you are hearing.  As a result, my upgrade comparison process includes:

  • thorough burn-in/warm-up
  • long-term listening in my own system- at least a couple of weeks if possible
  • putting the previous gear back in the system to try and determine whether the new item is an upgrade, or simply different
  • multiple short-term AB comparisons between the existing and new components, with as short a time period as possible when changing from one component to the other