Speaker Placement - Frequent Placement Changes?


Curious about members and the frequency of speaker placement changes. Do you frequently explore or do you “set it and forget it”? 

This includes toe-in, rake, distance from walls and main listening position (MLP), etc.

I find myself revisiting every few months, and always receiving an education about my not-so-perfect acoustic living environment - bass null about 12” in front of MLP for example.

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I’ll need to take some measurements, but the chair(s) are further back than the speakers are wide apart.

this recording is incredibly lifelike

I recently listened at my friend’s house, his is nearly an equilateral triangle, less bass than my system, amazing realism, but his spikes prevent him altering his toe-in, so unless you sit dead center, one side drops out fairly quickly.

I listened the next day at my home, it was different, bigger but less intimate, better retained imaging off-center.

Next, I moved closer, sat at the spot at the dining room table where I clean LPs while listening, now an equilateral triangle, speaker toe-in unchanged. Now it became as intimate as my friend’s system. A similar ’slightly out’ toe-in.

This Panorama Photo gives you a better sense of arrangements in my setup, you can just see the front of the listening chair(s). It’s not as big as it appears, I’ll measure

Distances appear normal in this photo, toe-in adjusted for single center listener

 

A lot of people would never have a dining room table in the middle, and yet all imaging is Phantom, they are Mirror Imaged, my horn tweeters are high and inside; two way horn mid high and outside, the 15" woofer below. all tilted up, toe-in in, and L-Pads calibrated via test tones and spl mic, final by ear.

 

I measured my setup, room is 156" wide x 288" (13’-0" x 24’-0"long)

My speakers, center of front face, are

40" in front of rear wall; 27" from the side walls either side (102" between) 

single centered listener, distance center of speaker face to ears is diagonally 150" (180" from front wall) (108" open space behind to rear wall)

speakers toed-in aimed directly at center listener and tilted back so that Tweeter’s are aimed up at seated ear height, (see mid horn and woofer positions in photo above, they are a mirrored pair, tweeters inside L edge and inside R edge

Alternate Toe-In for Two Off-Centered Listeners

Chairs are each 24" off center, now diagonal to face of speaker is 145"

Aim Left Speaker to Right Listener; Aim Right Speaker to Left Listener

They cross 48" diagonally (44" horizontally) in front of the listener’s ears.

 

Good stuff @elliottbnewcombjr. My guesstimate of speakers crossing between 24” - 36” was off from your 48”. How much have you played around with rake/tilt? 

I had my Tannoys tilted back pretty far (almost 2 degrees) using thread extenders with my IsoAcoustics Gaia when utilizing extreme toe-in. I have since moved back with more traditional toe-in with the axis crossing 12” behind me, but didn’t change the tilt. I can’t remember if it was tcutter or someone else, but they had suggested keeping tilt and toe-in equal. Because of this, I reduced the tilt which seemed to help with the phantom center cohesiveness. 

Interesting nonetheless @elliottbnewcombjr, and greatly appreciate the pictures which aid in understanding! 

Tilt Back

1st. issue is aiming the tweeter's narrower wavelengths directly at the listener(s) seated ear height

2nd issue is altering the angle of reflection of the drivers with wider wavelengths

3rd issue is physical time alignment of the face of the drivers themselves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudspeaker_time_alignment

and toe-in alters the reflections off the side walls of course.