Forget cables as snakeoil. There's a new snake King in town.


There are a few owners of relatively well-known companies that have such ridiculous amplifiers beliefs, that it boggles the mind. These people are owners of different companies. Not a complete nobody.

Think all cables sound the same? Well I'm here to inform you all amplifiers sound the same too (according to these company owners).

Ryan Charpentier (owner of Ascend audio) thinks an AVR is as good as any other amplifiers and to even spend more money on any dedicated amplifier would be a waste of money. In his words, the noise floor is too low for most systems to distinguish between AVR and another amp.

Dylan (owner of Buckeye) thinks all amplifiers sound the same when "properly designed. To add more context, he thinks his Hypex class D is perfection. Perfect in the sense that it is "100% true to the source material" and cannot be improved any further. Even 500 years from now. 

We have gone from all cables sound the same -> all amplifiers sound the same.

I have nothing else to say because I'm simply speechless.

samureyex

@jderson

I think your analogy is pretty good about chefs and how they tweak thing.   But it does beg the question as to whether we want perfection or just what’s to our taste.

Ultimately the limit is the recording.  And no cable, amplifier, speaker or DAC can be any better than the recording itself.  They may change the sound of the recording, but they can’t fix it.

As to your last point, While you can measure a lot about sound, you can't measure what you hear, so it leads to a lot of subjectivity (and arguments).   I have a setup that I love, but there are some days when it doesn't sound quite right.  Nothing has really changed except my brain.  So that's why I'd rather spend money on music rather than trying to change phantoms in my equipment.

If only this was the case. There would be no need to purchase any amp over $1000. Anyone who has been messing around with audio for a while knows, almost everything makes a difference. 

As someone who repairs vintage amps, they all sound different. Say I have 2 identical amps. I recap one with brand X caps, the other with brand Y caps. Guess what? They will sound different!  Even changing a couple electrolyte caps, to a film caps will change how the amp sounds. 

Yes, every amp will sound different. You can even put a scope on the output and they have different sign waves. 

Anyone with a Class D amp knows you can change the sound of the amp with just swapping out the power supply. People who have measured the output of the amps with different power supplies have recorded differences. 

These are facts based with measuring before and after, plus using ears that can also measure the difference. Think is someone can't understand measurements, or have good ears, then more power to them, as they can get cheap $100 class d amps and be happy. 

I agree tomrk ! 
 

I'm just addressing the fact that things definitely sound different!  I’m not even sure perfection is attainable?  Obviously perfection is different for everyone!  

The WAVAC 833A SET costs $480,000, and it has less than $2000 in parts to build one yourself. Lundahl coupling transformers and the biggest Hammond SE transformer are more robust than anything you can get with a near half-million-dollar pair of monoblocks. You can also use polypropylene power supply capacitors instead of electrolytic capacitors for better ESR and freedom from the way higher Voltage electrolytics go to hell after a few years of their limited shelf life.  

This makes me suspicious of high price audio such as speaker cables costing over $20,000 and are advertised with bad physics such as concern over skin effect that makes less than a hundredth of a decibel difference in frequency response at 20 kHz.