If Warmth Is a Distortion, Why Do So Many Audiophiles Still Defend It?


Hi everyone, this is my first post here. If it stirs some emotions — that’s not a bad thing. It means we’re all still passionate about this hobby.

As AI becomes capable of recreating any sound signature — warm, tube-like, analogue, ultra-wide, hyper-detailed, and everything in between — I’m starting to think the real future of audio lies in neutral, transparent, dynamic, and accurate hardware, while many of the “flavours” we chase may soon become software choices.

Over time, a few things have stood out to me:

• Warmth is pleasant, but it’s still coloration.
Beautiful, yes — but not accuracy, not transparency, and not always the artist’s intention.

• Warm gear enhances some tracks but softens accuracy in others.
Especially vocals, piano, violin, guitar, and other acoustic instruments. Some people hear this, some don’t, and some just prefer it that way.

• Modern Class D deserves more respect than it gets.
Many older audiophiles dismiss it based on outdated assumptions. But the latest designs are already extremely neutral, fast, and precise. I’m not sure how much longer Class A/AB will remain relevant beyond nostalgia and brand loyalty.

• Price reflects real quality only up to a point.
Beyond that, it becomes about branding, house sound, and personal bias. Preference is fine — but preference isn’t the same as absolute fidelity.


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⭐ Why I May Not Respond Immediately

This post is meant as a sharing of thoughts, not a debate I plan to defend point by point.
If I don’t reply right away, it’s because I’m taking time to read, think, and learn from others’ perspectives here.

Posting in good faith — looking forward to all views, supportive or critical.

hkcharlie

@Atmasphere, There are examples of detailed electronics that are also sweet, but that is a different discussion, I think.  A common experiment is to bypass a stage such as a gain circuit, as in plugging a source into a good passive attenuator and then comparing to plugging a source into a preamp active circuit at matched volumes. The passive attenuator will be more transparent than with a preamp, and also cooler in tonality.  Ignore the situation of impedance mismatches and also more dynamics from the extra gain stage.  Many people don't like the direct approach because they are addicted to warmth and more dynamics.  The essential concept is that any extra circuit adds distortion which is usually fuzzy warmth.  In real life, I like hearing singers with warm voice tonality.  I like hearing natural large instruments like the string bass, tuba, piano.   This is natural warmth from balanced harmonics, very  different from audio warmth, which is really just fuzzy extras added to the core body of sound.  Audio warmth is a fur coat effect, where a woman has loss of her body features when she is wearing the fur coat.  I want to see the woman in a well fitted dress rather than a large winter coat which makes all women appear fat.  

A corollary is that I would expect an amp with lots more circuitry will have more distortion than a simpler circuit.  Yes, it depends on the type of distortions from the added circuitry, so sometimes the complex circuit will sound cooler.  This type of coolness is overlaid with distortion products.  But this is a slightly different topic.  I imagine that your R & D has found simpler circuits to be more detailed with less distortion than complex circuits in your iterations of products over the years.

Warm and details as opposing values come from gear marketing which isolated them a selling points ...They are always related because if they existed together in  + or in -  anyway they exist correlated to an acoustic context...They are not born from the gear pieces like a man from a virgin...

In acoustics "timbre" definition as perception and as phenomenon is defined by 5 factors, none is related to " warm" qualities nor to "details" qualities, adjective used in audio gear reviews and marketing to describe gear qualities out of any acoustic context "per se" or "per design"...

Then a good "timbre" perception and playback translation must be warm or cold and detailed or less detailed it is dependent of the live event , of the recording trading-off set of choices, it is  also dependent of our system/room translation...

The goal of good engineering as said atmasphere , and the goal of room acoustics, and the goal of the sound engineer is to make them related to one another  in a way that will match  the acoustic circumstances under consideration.

Speaking of them as separated is a legacy of marketing not of acoustics ...

viber6    @mihorn Forgive me if I come to the wrong conclusion from your recordings when listening to flawed audio from my computer.  FWIW, I heard conventional tonal balance.   The Katie Melua recording of the voice has a fair amount of ambience, either natural or processed.  The Eric Clapton recording is more immediate, although it is hard to judge, since the volume level is low.

Of course. The Katie’s voice in my recording has my room sound. My mics are 7ft from speakers. The Katie’s mouth in the original recording is only few inches away from the microphone. Alex/Wavetouch audio

Original -- Katie Melua - Wondeful life

Wavetouch audio - Katie Melua - Wondeful life

I’d challenge any one to listen to a system with a mythical flat frequency response and say they like it.

@nubiann - Well, as always we have to distinguish between close mich, quasi anechoic flat and flat in room.  No one likes flat at the listening position.  

There are a number of house curves though, such as Harmon and B&K, or even the default used by say Dirac.  Not flat, generally peak around 100 Hz and descend gently about 1-2 db/octave. 

So the question to me isn't flat vs. not flat, as flat is really not very listenable, but about smooth vs. not.  Some of the smoothest speakers I hear are Magico, Revel and Monitor audio, and Fritz too, of course.  I like them a great deal, though I find Magico VERY smooth but also kind of cool. 

Those brands seem to do pretty well IMHO, but so do others which take different outlooks.  

A dimension not discussed nearly enough however is dynamic range and compression.  A speaker that measures flat at 1 W may not at 5.