A new dac?


Guys, help me out here.

My dac which I've been using for a number of years now is a Mytek Stereo192 DSD.

Came out in 2013, I think and was $1600 retail.

Still think it sounds good, but I've nothing to compare it to.

My question: If you are familiar with this dac or similar, what would I have to spend minimum to better it, and what do you think​​ will better it?

I enthusiastically await the responses of the cognoscenti. (Wanted to use that word in a sentence since I read it in Calvin and Hobbes!)

 

thecarpathian

I’ve still got a Denafrips Pontus ll, I really like the sound and I’m thinking of moving up a notch or two in their line.

All the best.

The sound difference between R2R and Delta-Sigma DACs is a complex topic with no definitive answer, as it is influenced by various factors, including design and implementation [[1]](https://theaudiostandard.net/thread/7359/based-digital-noise-related-question). Here's a breakdown of the key differences and general sound characteristics associated with each type: 

 **1. Core Technology** 

 *   **R2R DAC:**
 *   Utilizes a resistor ladder network with precise resistors (R and 2R values) to directly convert digital signals into analog voltages [[2]](https://grooveaudio.com/blogs/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction).
 *   Each bit directly contributes to the final output voltage, offering a discrete, linear conversion method [[2]](https://grooveaudio.com/blogs/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction).
 *   Often operates in a fully analog manner with minimal digital processing [[2]](https://grooveaudio.com/blogs/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction). 
 *   **Delta-Sigma DAC:**
 *   Employs oversampling and noise shaping techniques to convert digital audio to analog [[2]](https://grooveaudio.com/blogs/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction).
 *   The digital signal is modulated to a very high sample rate (often in the MHz range) and then filtered to recover the analog waveform [[2]](https://grooveaudio.com/blogs/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction).
 *   Relies on feedback loops to correct errors in real time [[3]](https://sw1xad.co.uk/technology_post/delta-sigma-vs-non-oversampling-r2r-dac-designs/). 

 **2. General Sound Characteristics** 

 *   **R2R DAC:**
 *   Often described as having a more "analog-like" and "natural" sound [[2]](https://grooveaudio.com/blogs/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction). 
 *   May be preferred by audiophiles for their transparency and ability to preserve the integrity of the original signal [[4]](https://www.magnahifi.com/discrete-r2r-dac-vs-sigma-delta-dac).
 *   Some common descriptors include: full-bodied, textured, smooth, organic, and musical [[4]](https://www.magnahifi.com/discrete-r2r-dac-vs-sigma-delta-dac)[[5]](https://www.fiio.com/newsinfo/1099293.html).
 *   May offer a bigger and deeper soundstage with good imaging [[1]](https://theaudiostandard.net/thread/7359/based-digital-noise-related-question)[[6]](https://www.stereonet.com/forums/topic/67627-r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dacs/).
 *   **Delta-Sigma DAC:**
 *   Often characterized by accuracy, detail, and technical performance with modern precision [[2]](https://grooveaudio.com/blogs/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction).
 *   Some audiophiles find their sound less natural or warm compared to R2R DACs [[4]](https://www.magnahifi.com/discrete-r2r-dac-vs-sigma-delta-dac).
 *   In the past, some have been described as "flat-sounding," with an accentuated treble and poor low-frequency response, though this may not be the case with modern, well-implemented designs [[6]](https://www.stereonet.com/forums/topic/67627-r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dacs/). 

 **3. Technical Differences and Implications** 

 *   **Linearity:** R2R DACs are known for excellent linearity due to their simple architecture, which helps them accurately reproduce the input signal without significant distortion [[4]](https://www.magnahifi.com/discrete-r2r-dac-vs-sigma-delta-dac). Delta-Sigma DACs, while achieving high resolution, are inherently non-linear due to the complex algorithms and feedback loops used [[4]](https://www.magnahifi.com/discrete-r2r-dac-vs-sigma-delta-dac). 
 *   **Oversampling:** R2R DACs are inherently fast and generally don't require extensive oversampling [[4]](https://www.magnahifi.com/discrete-r2r-dac-vs-sigma-delta-dac). Delta-Sigma DACs often use oversampling techniques to achieve high resolution, which can introduce latency [[4]](https://www.magnahifi.com/discrete-r2r-dac-vs-sigma-delta-dac). 
 *   **Noise and Distortion:** Delta-Sigma DACs use noise shaping to push quantization noise outside the audible range [[3]](https://sw1xad.co.uk/technology_post/delta-sigma-vs-non-oversampling-r2r-dac-designs/)[[7]](https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/89m4nu/academic_explanation_of_delta_sigma_and_r2r_dacs/). R2R DACs, especially Non-Oversampling (NOS) designs, minimize digital filtering, which some believe can distort the musical signal [[3]](https://sw1xad.co.uk/technology_post/delta-sigma-vs-non-oversampling-r2r-dac-designs/). 

 **4. Subjectivity and Implementation** 

 *   Sound quality is subjective and depends on individual preferences and equipment [[2]](https://grooveaudio.com/blogs/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction).
 *   High-end examples from both R2R and Delta-Sigma camps can sound excellent [[2]](https://grooveaudio.com/blogs/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction).
 *   Implementation plays a crucial role; both types benefit from reducing noise [[1]](https://theaudiostandard.net/thread/7359/based-digital-noise-related-question).
 *   Some argue that the differences between well-implemented Delta-Sigma and R2R DACs are minimal, and that other factors like the quality of components and power supplies can have a greater impact [[1]](https://theaudiostandard.net/thread/7359/based-digital-noise-related-question). 

 **5. R2R Variations** 

 *   Non-oversampling (NOS) R2R DACs are considered by some to sound more natural than Delta-Sigma DACs because they avoid digital filtering or manipulation of the signal [[3]](https://sw1xad.co.uk/technology_post/delta-sigma-vs-non-oversampling-r2r-dac-designs/).
 *   However, R2R designs with oversampling may not be significantly better than Delta-Sigma designs due to the digital filtering involved [[3]](https://sw1xad.co.uk/technology_post/delta-sigma-vs-non-oversampling-r2r-dac-designs/). 

 In conclusion, while R2R DACs are often associated with a more "analog" and "musical" sound, and Delta-Sigma DACs with accuracy and detail, the actual sound difference can be subtle and is highly dependent on the specific design and implementation of each DAC [[1]](https://theaudiostandard.net/thread/7359/based-digital-noise-related-question)[[2]](https://grooveaudio.com/blogs/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction).


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Learn more:
1. [R2R vs Chip based DAC - Digital noise related question | The Audio Standard](https://theaudiostandard.net/thread/7359/based-digital-noise-related-question)
2. [R2R vs Delta-Sigma DAC — Two Paths to Digital Music Reproduction - Groove Audio](https://grooveaudio.com/blogs/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction/r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dac-two-paths-to-digital-music-reproduction)
3. [Delta Sigma vs Non-oversampling (NOS) R2R DAC - Ultimate Guide - SW1X Audio Design](https://sw1xad.co.uk/technology_post/delta-sigma-vs-non-oversampling-r2r-dac-designs/)
4. [Discrete R2R vs. Sigma Delta DAC - Magna Hifi](https://www.magnahifi.com/discrete-r2r-dac-vs-sigma-delta-dac)
5. [Go for a Bolder Flavor, FIIO R2R DAC + Tube Buffer WARMER R2R](https://www.fiio.com/newsinfo/1099293.html)
6. [R2R vs. Delta Sigma DACs - Digital Sources, DACs, and Computer Audio - StereoNET](https://www.stereonet.com/forums/topic/67627-r2r-vs-delta-sigma-dacs/)
7. [Academic explanation of Delta Sigma and R2R DACs : r/headphones - Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/89m4nu/academic_explanation_of_delta_sigma_and_r2r_dacs/)“

Thanks everyone for taking them time to respond with all your suggestions.

I'm going to waffle again and most likely keep my Mytek for now and try a few of the less expensive dacs for comparison that I can return, or keep if worth it.

I will however be buying a streamer and getting a Qobuz subscription.

Now, to figure out which one!😃

 

Good idea to try lower cost options to compare  first and return if needed.  
 

DAC technology has matured to the point where it’s almost a commodity item.  There are differences among them but shame on any company that manages to offer a bad one these days.  I have yet to stumble across a bad one these days. The further you go back, the more mediocre ones around when compared to today. 
 

Dare I say it’s a golden age for DACs these days.