What Does 80 Grand Get You Nowadays?


A system was playing in a shop. I sat down and pretty soon I thought gosh, I’m glad my system sounds better than this.

That system - just preamp, amp, and speakers - cost about $80,000 new.

I didn’t make the speakers at first, because Sabrinas look far better than the usual Wilson house look. They were driven by one of those new high-end Marantz amps, and I don’t think that was a match made in heaven. The Marantz was driven by a Dan D’Agostino pre that looked like a Minion had been crushed in a hydraulic press. Audiophile music was streaming, but I did not catch whence issued those dulcet ones and zeroes.

I suppose that system constitutes high-end for some. Now, it certainly sounded competent, but it also sounded boring. I thought, this is the Audi SUV of audio: competent and boring.

Conversely, I was impressed and pleased to no end that the end sound of my modest system from the last century could play in the same league as an almost-six figure modern system, and do so in a more engaging and fun fashion - to my ears, at least.

I’m biased, of course; and I am certain many high-priced systems out there leave mine in the dust. Still, I would have thought $80,000 guaranteed a better baseline sound.

How about you, have you heard a lot of gear whose sound was way out of whack with its price?

 

devinplombier

I have alot of legacy audio and like them.wispers,focus,aries,valor.  I Do like the ribbon planar tweeters.the wood in them is great he has an organ company do the wood. Recently merged with an investor and hope the company does not change much.they are now putting alot of ice modules in thier base. Also the wavelet dsp they are using is great. Enjoy the search. I have bought almost all used so 80k turns into 240k. Plus it's fun to meet other audiophile when I travel to pick it up.

Someone commented that it's fun to mix and match components.  I have done it all my life (I'm 73) but it is not in your shop with an untested combination.  Those periods of experimentation are supposed to have occurred in late night listening sessions in the privacy of your ears only and the triumphant results are the ones you feature in your store for others to share.  And I smile at the almost infinite combinations one can conjure in one's head for an $80,000 system.  How about this one?  A pair of The Smaller Advent (the original produced between 1973 and 1975 with the green fried egg tweeter and spit wad dust cap on the woofer - professionally redone by a true gentleman and craftsman, Chuck Wroblewski at Chasrock Services in Rochester NY), a Musical Fidelity A1 integrated (yes, one of the new redesigned ones) and then a new totally tricked out LinnSondek LP12 with the new Bedrock Plynth?  Top of the line arm and cartridge.  I'll leave you to decide whether you want to go with the Linn Uphorik phono or use the one in the A1.

I haven’t read this whole thread, just some of the first page. I can respond to a couple of points made. 

First, the guy who said "buy the speakers first then use matched pre and power amps" is the strategy that I’ve found to pay dividends. 

The second thing is regarding “consumer brands” like Marantz, Yamaha and Denon. Don’t get me wrong, Marantz was high end when they started with tube gear decades ago. Yamaha and Denon were considered more “audiophile grade” in the 70’s and 80’s. 

I started out with a Yamaha A-1000 integrated amp in 1985. It was their flagship integrated. After being out of the hobby for 15 years I bought their new integrated flagship, the A-S3000 in 2019. Then I bought my current speakers, Magico A3’s. Eventually I put in a Dynaco PAS-3X preamplifier with the A-S3000 using it as the power amplifier. I was amazed how much better adding the inexpensive and old PAS-3X made the rig sound! That A-S3000 was retailing for 8K at the time. Thankfully I bought mine new at a substantial discount and only lost 1k selling to the Music Room when I moved on. 

Yamaha makes great products in a lot of different markets. The A-S3000 (silver faceplate) is the most beautiful integrated amp I’ve ever seen. High end it is not.

I also bought a Denon DP-62L turntable in 2019 because I always wanted one but couldn’t afford it in the 80’s. I used it for several years before upgrading to a TriangleArt Maestro. The DP-62L was a great little table but it isn’t in the same league with true hifi components of today. Denon's new stuff is mid fi at best.